I don't think we are ever going to agree on this coach guy just like some will never agree on trump or other things. I do agree I don't think he's like many of these pickup artist dudes. I also still really should give my review but it's been so long I should really read it again before I do in order to be fair.
However I really have to take issue with this getting the woman of your dreams. Seriously did we read the same book? Then again the misquotes have come rapid fire in the past but just no way in heII does he even suggest getting the woman of your dreams unless said woman is into you. If she's not he says don't even try!!! This is one of my complaints as he's very much about gauging any woman's interest in you and saying straight up if it's not at least moderate don't bother - find someone with higher interest in you. It's way easier to see success with soneone into you. He says it's far less work for you. I think you're seeing this first hand Joseph.
But again for some reason you guys are convinced he walks on water. I think he can but only if it's a puddle. Yet there are some good points to be had. He's just not nearly as amazing as you seem to think he is, with much of his points being somewhat common sense.- but again that's how I se it. Others may not agree with me.
DonH Midwest Me 56 WAW-EXW 55 Met 11/95 / Married 5/00 Bomb 6/20/05 / She Filed on 6/2/06 / Divorced on 10/9/06 4 who'd qualify as GF since D & dated about 25 women since D
However I really have to take issue with this getting the woman of your dreams. Seriously did we read the same book? Then again the misquotes have come rapid fire in the past but just no way in heII does he even suggest getting the woman of your dreams unless said woman is into you. If she's not he says don't even try!!! This is one of my complaints as he's very much about gauging any woman's interest in you and saying straight up if it's not at least moderate don't bother - find someone with higher interest in you. It's way easier to see success with someone into you.
Well Don you are correct that even if you followed everything to the T you are not going to steal Gisele Bundchen from Tom Brady. It's a lot easier to say he doesn't know what hes talking about and keep doing the same thing you've been doing for 14 years and bitch that all the good ones are taken.
Let's do fun facts:
Fact: Newly separated poster in the newbie section is interested in a girl he is setup with and it's a long distance relationship. They haven't met but they text and facetime almost everyday. In the beginning she has high interest but one night he sends 10 texts and call once before he receives a response. She becomes overwhelmed by this and it's basically game over. One mistake and game over. How could he avoided this you ask? If he read the book. He was being himself and he didn't know any better. He didn't think he did anything wrong. Again, high attraction one mistake and game over.
Fact: G hates the term hangout, have fun and hook up. Why because she takes it out of context and assumes it means pick up a girl hang out, have fun and hook up and then move on to the next girl. Now can you do that? Absolutely But what he is really teaching is doing it with the same girl. Rinse, recycle and repeat. What does G do with M every week? Hangout, have fun and hookup. What happen? She fell in love with him. Just like he teaches.
Fact: J9 hooks up with STD test girl and things are going well. He throw the fundamentals out the window and becomes to available and goes out with her like three days in a row with her taking the lead. What happens? He get's the dreaded phone call "I not sure what it is but's something's missing" and ends it.
Fact: Dr. says "out of all the guys you text me the least". J pretty much holds his ground sets one date per week and now he is hanging out, having fun and hooking up.
Fact: Don has a great summer with WG. He gets lazy stops setting dates and instead just talks to her on the phone. She looses interest and finds another guy. Don goes on cruise and starts being Donny Juanny again and he and WG hangout, have fun and hook up.
Again, for many of us new into the dating world with texting and facebook it is all new for us. What is so wrong from learning from someone who admits to making many mistakes and in the process is trying to help people not lose potential loves of their lives because they don't understand what to do in certain situations?
Oh yeah I forgot I said I was going to stop defending the coach lol!
Lastly, if you want to watch something that is real garbage and demeaning to women? Watch J's other guy on youtube. Search: Alpha Male Strategies (AMS).
Again DH I ask you this. You play an instrument in a band so I assume you are pretty dam good at it right??? I also assume you didn't hone your craft by not practicing. I assume you have put in a zillion hours to be as good as you are. Learning how to date and build attraction is no different. L and I want to be good at it so we read and practice by going on dates so when we meet the right woman we are prepared. You practice your instrument and have become really good at it so one day you can be in a band, make money, travel, and I assume you are successful.
The Dr initiated with me yesterday morning so we chatted back and forth for a bit. I hit her up this morning and she told me it would be good day for us to spend in bed. I was like heck yeah!
On a side note I will admit I am having some performance anxiety issues so I got a prescription to Viagra. I have never had any issues in my life but when I am getting ready to be with a new woman it takes me a bit to get comfortable and when the moment is starting to happen I get stressed out and I can't relax. I have never been this Don Juan sort of guy with 100 notches on my bedpost but it is starting to get to me....hence the prescription. I also never had any issues with my XW. I have read that many guys that have went through D have this problem. I will say it is frustrating.
Anyway I came prepared on Saturday night with a pill in my pocket. The problem was that it was in my front pocket on the side of my pants where the Dr was sitting and when she started rubbing my leg she felt it and asked what that was. I was like holy fuch......In a moment of panic I stood up put my hands in my pocket and said I don't feel anything, and she dropped it. If she flat out asked me I would tell her but I didn't know what to say. So after I said I couldn't feel anything, I excused myself to the bathroom and I relocated it to my back pocket. She never brought it up the rest of the night and obviously when the moment was right I was ready to go. I know she knows, obviously she doesn't have a problem with it but I will say there would have been no way I could have had round two without it. I have found that it is very hard to keep up with women in their 40's.
Also....my XW is acting weird. Her and her BF broke up. I knew something was up by the way she was acting. When I dropped the girls off yesterday I also noticed that the little food bowls for the dog were also gone from the spot they were usually in. She also sent me a picture of the girls eating dinner and told me where she took them. I can tell her attitude has changed some.
Lh I agree with much of that. It's not like I think this coach is FOS - it's just that I don't think he walks on water and needs to be defended like you do. I also can tell you while you are oart right about WG you are missing a whole bunch more. This dude was in the picture when I sensed her lose interest. It's hard to get soneone on a date when you can't get them in the phone. We were not talking on the phone versus going out - we were barely communicating at all! You made the other part up or assumed it. She didn't want to lose the cruise so she went dark. I did not want the hassle of finding soneone else and then upsetting the promoters by needing to change the tickets so I went dark. The thing is I'm 13 years older, he's 1 year younger. I do not want to have kids or get married. He's never married with no kids he lives 5 minutes from her I live an hour and five minutes. He's very much in love or at least thinks he is after weeks out of a 14 year R. I thought she was a lot of fun to,play with but was never going to fall in love with her. Do the math. I don't think I coukd have changed what happened and bet I would have gotten hurt if I tried. As for what's happened lately, who knows? For sure in person dating builds attraction. That seems kinda obvious. Clearly the coach didn't invent that. I didn't ever say that I have not learned some things from the book and never said I don't agree with much of it. I just say it's not chalked full of amazing wisdom. And it's not written well at all from a writing stand point. Honestly that's my biggest complaint. But if I ever write a review you'll see that's my biggest complaint.
Joseph as for your assumptions at least with me you are wrong. I have natural talent with music. Genes? It may be. I have relative pitch (a step down from perfect pitch). Yes I practiced but not near as much as you might think and rarely in the last 30 years. I practice on stage 8 to 20 hours a week. That's enough. Thing is, I DO NOT HAVE natural game with women. So like you I do need practice there. I got better - much better - then got married and never really got it back Sadly I don't care enough most times to try. My biggest lacking is a lack of attraction to most women or at least many. But then I had more fun than in a long time just summer - oddly enough because I had attraction perhaps with the wrong person but the difference was that I tried. And trying netted results. The coach is not wrong there. I encountered a 40 year old getting D this weekend. She's not phisical lay my type but I coukd not push myself to try. I half ass flirted with her but coukd not out myself fully into it. Whatever - not the point of this post.
As for the ED it could be age. I've been lucky to not really have had these issues but I can totally tell you until I get comfortable with someone the sex is not nearly as good. That has long been the case. Your little blue pill may be helping you as much psychologically as anything else. As for the pill in the pocket problem try Cialis. It lasts over 24 hours - might be 36? Rather than 4. You can and I think perhaps are supposed to take it hours before. So you don't need to time it or put it in your pocket. I'm guessing the doctor figured it out. It's odd how many women I've had mention it - like they almost expect it at this age?
DonH Midwest Me 56 WAW-EXW 55 Met 11/95 / Married 5/00 Bomb 6/20/05 / She Filed on 6/2/06 / Divorced on 10/9/06 4 who'd qualify as GF since D & dated about 25 women since D
Well at least you still practice and outside of having natural talent/game if you want to be good at something you need to practice. I am in the dating mode right now and I needed help getting started so I needed to learn and practice.
I am not ashamed about taking the pill. In fact if anything I would hope it would enhance my sexual performance because I am conscience in regards to satisfying my partner, wanting to be all that I can be.. I just know there would not have been round two without and she had no problems going for round two. I also believe it is more popular than what people think.
My original prescription was for Cialis however it is not covered by my insurance so it was going to cost me $850 to get it filled. The Viagra only cost me $20. Honestly I wish I could use Cialis as I have heard much better things about it.
Me 52, H53 Bomb drop 9/29/2014 Divorce from XH final 12/17/2014 Marriage #2 12/31/2019 5 adult (step)daughters (3 from XH's first marriage, 2 from current H's previous relationships) 6 grandkids
So a woman's purpose in life is to chase call and pursue while the man is busy fulfilling his purpose in life? WTF? This is the douchiest statement I have ever seen! The man sits back taking care of himself while a woman chases him?! Now I really really dislike coach. I have a feeling the only women he attracts are Barbie type ditzes who need a man. A smart, independent educated woman? Most likely not.
Isnt this what women want men to do, yet they dont call it a douche statement? I am all for equality of gender in all aspects of life, not just in some. You cant have your cake and eat it too. Women say they want equality, yet they want the man to lead, thats not equality. Then you have the women who say i am an old fashion lady and the man should chase, yet if a guy acted old fashion they would most likely call him sexist.
The fact of the matter is women control when and who they have sex with. There is never equality. the whole yes means yes movement, its mainly about asking the women for her permission for sex, yet you never really hear what about asking the man for is, its just a given that he will say yes. Now the movement is really gender neutral, but thats not what is mainly talked about.
Also, Im all for giving a lady compliments but they just dont mean the same anymore. Women online get complimented hundreds of times a day, from all kinds of men. Its like they are becoming immune to them. True women here on this site are not like this, but i dont feel women here are a true representation of women in the world.
And as for Corey Wayne, AMS, Rollo Tomassi, Tony Robbins, David Deida, and Allen Roger Currie, you take what you can apply to your life and your situation and discard the rest.
Rex
M:43 W:33 M:10 T:11 D:6 BD 8/12/17 Divorce Final 1/23/2019
Women online get complimented hundreds of times a day, from all kinds of men. Its like they are becoming immune to them. True women here on this site are not like this, but i dont feel women here are a true representation of women in the world.
Ummmm....I guess I missed that memo where women online get complimented hundreds of times a day. When I was OLD I RARELY received messages or got compliments other than from those skeevy weirdos that started their messages with crap like "hey beautiful" (which is about the cheesiest thing on the planet, especially when you look like me). It's a good thing I don't have low self-esteem or all these things that you all are always posting about how women get tons of messages and compliments and get their pick of the litter, so to speak, would really be weighing on me about now. None of those things were my experience in OLD.
Originally Posted by rexgm
And as for Corey Wayne, AMS, Rollo Tomassi, Tony Robbins, David Deida, and Allen Roger Currie, you take what you can apply to your life and your situation and discard the rest.
Rex
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO much this! Exactly what I keep saying. If something works for you, use it. If it doesn't, don't.
To Ginger's point, though, (and before LH even says it, I will say maybe this is taken out of context), the line about a woman's purpose being to chase, call and pursue while the man is busy fulfilling his life's purpose DOES come across as a douche statement. I can't speak for everyone but I don't expect a man to do all the calling, chasing, pursuing. I do consider myself old-fashioned to a point so I do expect the man to reach out initially, but once I get the feeling that he has an interest, I'm ok with reaching out too and calling, making dates and paying for them, doing some pursuing. I'm not in Ginger's head so I can't tell you her reasoning but it just seems like he's almost saying to act disinterested, like you have better things to do while the woman runs panting after you.
Again, I don't want to speak for all the women here because it isn't my place to do so, but I know FOR ME, I don't think the coach's advice works for me is that I'm not his target audience. He's clearly writing it for men and that is how his advice is given, which is a good thing since he IS a man. LH and I had an interesting discussion Friday and I see all his points and don't even necessarily disagree with them, but I do think that there aren't many women, even if we read the book cover to cover who would agree with much of it. We simply are not the ones he's giving the advice for. It's ok for people to disagree. And, I would imagine that there are some dating books written from a female perspective that a lot of men on the board would disagree with as many of us women have disagreed with the coach. One that comes to my mind was quite popular several years ago called "The Rules" (the subtitle was something about catching Mr. Right or something to that effect). Now, I have to say, I read part of that book because everyone I know seemed to be reading it and it was everywhere and though women were the target audience (obviously), I thought it was a big load of crap. It was pretty much the opposite of the coach's book, now that I think about it...how to get the man to pursue you while you sit back and wait. But, there again, just like you said, Rex....take what you can apply and discard the rest. GREAT advice!!!!!!
Me 52, H53 Bomb drop 9/29/2014 Divorce from XH final 12/17/2014 Marriage #2 12/31/2019 5 adult (step)daughters (3 from XH's first marriage, 2 from current H's previous relationships) 6 grandkids
Ok well I think the dr is officially into J9. She invited me over wed night after her kid goes to bed for some u know what, she started sexting me this am, and invited me out to her land in the country either Friday or Saturday night. Me seeing her this weekend was my idea coming over wed was hers. The funny thing is as soon as I told her i wanted to see her again she bombarded me with text messages. Now that she has got more engaged i have noticed my own engagement levels increasing as well.
