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karen43 #1841278 09/21/09 01:35 PM
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Agreed, when my XW's b/s tank starts running on fumes, she seems to come with something new to get a rise out of me. She got me good last weekend. Gearing up the defenses for this weekend.


Me 35/XW 33
S13 & S12
M: 10/17/98
OM & S: 07/08
D final 06/09/09
12/03/09 - 06/13/10 "Piercing"
06/13/10: Engaged to Re-marry 10/17/10
06/25/10: Expecting baby #3 2/14/11
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Thanks, Karen. Thanks, Dday.

Yes, I am finding it much easier now to just ignore xW. It has taken me a long time to un-condition myself from automatically giving her words any credence. I was once under the impression that she was someone actually worthy of devotion and respect, and which my love for her only made that all the more total. But as Jesus said, you shall know them by their fruit. And now the veil has been lifted.

My goal is to eventually neither hate nor love her at all anymore, but to feel a calm indifference towards her (though I often wonder if that is ever really possible.) In such a position, I feel I can then offer her as much cordial respect as she warrants, as the mother of my sons. But nothing beyond that.

I am making strides in reaching that place. There was a point where this was my worst nightmare, to lose my love for her. And while I still feel a natural resistance to this somewhere deep within me, I also realize that this is where God is leading me. He is telling me, in so many different ways, that my W is gone, dead, lost, and I need to keep moving onward. That avenue is now closed forever. My heart now "knows" this whereas my head has known this for much longer.

Ever since this custody lawsuit was filed I have felt her stepping up her warfare against me, drawing me out to battle and hoping I would misstep. The harshness of her attacks have had less and less effect on me however, because I am now more conditioned and immune. And now that the last pieces of the suit are wrapped/wrapping up, I just don't feel she can goad me like before. I am embracing my ability to chuckle at her antics now and let it slide off my back like water.

That's not to say she won't begin a new phase in her psych-war, something to take me off-guard. But given her history I expect it now, and I refuse to let her button-pushing get to me any longer. I expect she will next attempt to sway the PC to her side, for one thing. And I suspect she might very well dispute the current child support payment too -- in fact if she can increase her monthly CS more than the resulting legal fees she would incur, she will certainly take that path (the evil MIL will insist on that.)

I also do not put it past her to cajole the OM into marrying her. And then to try to get him to adopt my S's. I know that's likely coming. A big tsunami for me to surf.

Still, knowing her stripes/spots gives me the power to anticipate her moves, and I will not be baited any longer. (Besides, I've got bigger fish to fry now.)

On the subject of WAS behavior, I constantly find it amazing how the unfaithful spouse will transfer their own sins onto their LBS. It is ironic that while DB advises us to act "as if" with the wayward, at the same time their own strategy seems to be to act "as if" with us -- they treat us "as if" we had been the infidel and not them. That is certainly the attitude I have gotten all this time from xW -- you would think I was the one who had cheated on her and decided to end our M to run off with the OP.

It is the most insane thing, this transference. It has been so bad in our own case that xW occasionally accuses me of transferring my sins onto her. I can say that I used to get really confused as to who did what under those circumstances. (Thankfully, I have had a good IC and some good friends, not to mention the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to keep me straight. I think I have managed to stay sane in the midst of sorting this madness out.)

You folks know a lot about my sitch, more-so than anyone else, but that's still just a small part of the picture -- there is just so very much more that I have had to see and endure that I have tried to ignore altogether. There's been too much to relate all of it here.

But like I indicated above, I am turning the corner on this sad phase in my life. Moving forward. Surfing the tsunami's and hurricanes, looking for smoother waters.


Me: 49
WAW: 47
S11, S7
Years Married/Together: 17/18
Bomb: 6/15/07
Separation: 7/6/07
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Brother NCB,

You sound well. I hear you in every aspect of the insanity that is the 'transference'. I do not know either, what, if anything but time and a nagging self conscience until our X's just give it up once and for all and claim stake for their actions.

To expect responsibility from the irresponsible, is a futile waste of time and one's own sanity.


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S13 & S12
M: 10/17/98
OM & S: 07/08
D final 06/09/09
12/03/09 - 06/13/10 "Piercing"
06/13/10: Engaged to Re-marry 10/17/10
06/25/10: Expecting baby #3 2/14/11
dday101798 #1841564 09/21/09 06:56 PM
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That's it exactly, Dday. The key corollary to the Serenity Prayer is that we need to accept responsibility for those sins in life we actually have/had control over -- and none more than that.


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Don't you just love how WAS's 'project' their issues upon those who know and love them the most?


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Originally Posted By: Sgfan
Don't you just love how WAS's 'project' their issues upon those who know and love them the most?
I've definitely noticed that too. If we avoid and LTR them for a long period of time, do you think that would end though? They'd maybe start transferring on to their new OP, or maybe even start looking at themselves? One can only hope...


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Originally Posted By: Sgfan
Don't you just love how WAS's 'project' their issues upon those who know and love them the most?


Oh, yeah.

Projection, that's the other term -- where the WAS tries to include the LBS in their own faults. "You are as guilty as I am," is the underlying message. But I guess Transference takes that a step further, saying, "You are the sole guilty party, not I."

(Just thinking out loud here. Feel free to revise or extend.)


Originally Posted By: karen43
If we avoid and LTR them for a long period of time, do you think that would end though? They'd maybe start transferring on to their new OP, or maybe even start looking at themselves? One can only hope...


You know, there have been some moments where I really hope that xW makes good on her recent threat to marry the OM. Perhaps then she will indeed begin to wear on him and/or he wear on her -- taking me out of her focus as the perceived source for her perpetual angst. I might actually realize some peace from her, for a while at least.

And it would finally set the countdown clock to their eventual dissolution -- it would be just a matter of time from that point that one would cheat on the other. I would hate that my S's would be witness to yet another R disaster with their mother in the starring role again, but I see that as a fait accompli anyway. Better to get that over sooner rather than later.


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WAW: 47
S11, S7
Years Married/Together: 17/18
Bomb: 6/15/07
Separation: 7/6/07
D: 4/3/09

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Originally Posted By: NoCodeBlues
You know, there have been some moments where I really hope that xW makes good on her threat to marry the OM. Perhaps then she will indeed begin to wear on him and/or he wear on her -- taking me out of her focus as the perceived source for her perpetual angst.


You know, NCB I have thought that way many of times, but then I realized, most likely, I would then be the blame for why they don't work.


Me 35/XW 33
S13 & S12
M: 10/17/98
OM & S: 07/08
D final 06/09/09
12/03/09 - 06/13/10 "Piercing"
06/13/10: Engaged to Re-marry 10/17/10
06/25/10: Expecting baby #3 2/14/11
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DDay,

They could try to make that case, but unless you were really trying to sabotage their R through direct actions, there's no way anyone would give that silly thought any credibility. As some might say, "That dog don't hunt."

Besides, if anyone is going to think that way, there's nothing we can do about it anyway. You can't control how other people think even when they're sane, so it's pointless to worry about what crazy people think. In my case, my xW already thinks the worst of me, so it wouldn't matter what she thinks about me after her third M eventually fails -- she's already done her worst.

We again have to focus on those things that are in our capacity to control.


Me: 49
WAW: 47
S11, S7
Years Married/Together: 17/18
Bomb: 6/15/07
Separation: 7/6/07
D: 4/3/09

Real love is a decision.
Marriage is a commitment.
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