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Just came across an article on the web that I wanted to share with the forum.

Having trouble forgiving? Harboring bitterness, resentment?

Take a look.

As always: use what you can, leave the rest...

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/forgiveness/MH00131

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Originally Posted By: 4kids
Just came across an article on the web that I wanted to share with the forum.

Having trouble forgiving? Harboring bitterness, resentment?

Take a look.

As always: use what you can, leave the rest...

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/forgiveness/MH00131

N.


Thank you so much for posting this!

I printed it out and I saved the link. This article puts in to words a lot of what I have been trying so hard to do. The idea of "lessing the grip" that the hurt or offense had on you is so powerful. Sometimes just that little bit of release helps soooo much.

There are several good articles posted and I appreciate that you brought these to my attention.

Regards,

ntl


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All the years you have waited for them to "make it up to you" and all the energy you expended trying to make them change (or make them pay) kept the old wounds from healing and gave pain from the past free rein to shape and even damage your life. And still they may not have changed. Nothing you have done has made them change. Indeed, they may never change. Inner peace is found by changing yourself, not the people who hurt you. And you change yourself for yourself, for the joy, serenity, peace of mind, understanding, compassion, laughter, and bright future that you get."

I struggle with forgiving, both my W and also the OM, I know I have to get there one day, I guess the sooner the better, so quotes such as the above give me a little extra insight and power to get there.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.”

“Sincere forgiveness isn't colored with expectations that the other person apologize or change. Don't worry whether or not they finally understand you. Love them and release them. Life feeds back truth to people in its own way and time.”

“You can't undo anything you've already done, but you can face up to it. You can tell the truth. You can seek forgiveness. And then let God do the rest.”

"When we forgive evil we do not excuse it, we do not tolerate it, we do not smother it. We look the evil full in the face, call it what it is, let its horror shock and stun and enrage us, and only then do we forgive it."

"If we say that monsters [people who do terrible evil] are beyond forgiving, we give them a power they should never have...they are given the power to keep their evil alive in the hearts of those who suffered most. We give them power to condemn their victims to live forever with the hurting memory of their painful pasts. We give the monsters the last word."

"With a little time, and a little more insight, we begin to see both ourselves and our enemies in humbler profiles. We are not really as innocent as we felt when we were first hurt. And we do not usually have a gigantic monster to forgive; we have a weak, needy, and somewhat stupid human being. When you see your enemy and yourself in the weakness and silliness of the humanity you share, you will make the miracle of forgiving a little easier."

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Originally Posted By: On The Way back

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.”

“Sincere forgiveness isn't colored with expectations that the other person apologize or change. Don't worry whether or not they finally understand you. Love them and release them. Life feeds back truth to people in its own way and time.”

“You can't undo anything you've already done, but you can face up to it. You can tell the truth. You can seek forgiveness. And then let God do the rest.”

"When we forgive evil we do not excuse it, we do not tolerate it, we do not smother it. We look the evil full in the face, call it what it is, let its horror shock and stun and enrage us, and only then do we forgive it."

"If we say that monsters [people who do terrible evil] are beyond forgiving, we give them a power they should never have...they are given the power to keep their evil alive in the hearts of those who suffered most. We give them power to condemn their victims to live forever with the hurting memory of their painful pasts. We give the monsters the last word."

"With a little time, and a little more insight, we begin to see both ourselves and our enemies in humbler profiles. We are not really as innocent as we felt when we were first hurt. And we do not usually have a gigantic monster to forgive; we have a weak, needy, and somewhat stupid human being. When you see your enemy and yourself in the weakness and silliness of the humanity you share, you will make the miracle of forgiving a little easier."


These are SO wonderful. I mean, really, really insightful. The last one just blew me away. I feel that is exactly what I am facing. And H feels that way, too. He tells me: If I was whole, if I was strong, if I had esteem, if I had a all the fullness I wish I had, I wouldn't be this creep standing in front of you. And then I just feel so sad.

Regards,

ntl


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If it helps one person it is good enough for me, has helped me as well, I think also knowing that our world has changed helps.

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All the years you have waited for them to "make it up to you" and all the
energy you expended trying to make them change (or make them pay) kept the
old wounds from healing and gave pain from the past free rein to shape and
even damage your life. And still they may not have changed. Nothing you have
done has made them change. Indeed, they may never change. Inner peace is
found by changing yourself, not the people who hurt you. And you change
yourself for yourself, for the joy, serenity, peace of mind, understanding,
compassion, laughter, and bright future that you get."

"It takes one person to forgive, it takes two people to be reunited."

"Not even God can make something fair out of what is intrinsically unfair.
Only one thing can be done. Something must break through the crust of
unfairness and create a chance for a new fairness. Only forgiveness can make
the breakthrough."

"I worry about fast forgivers. They tend to forgive quickly in order to
avoid their pain. Or they forgive fast in order to get an advantage over the
people they forgive. And their instant forgiving only makes things
worse...People who have been wronged badly and wounded deeply should give
themselves time and space before they forgive...There is a right moment to
forgive. We cannot predict it in advance; we can only get ourselves ready
for it when it arrives...Don't do it quickly, but don't wait too long...If
we wait too long to forgive, our rage settles in and claims squatter's
rights to our souls."

"Spoken forgiving, no matter how heartfelt, works best when we do not demand
the response we want. I mean that when we tell people we forgive them, we
must leave them free to respond to our good news however they are inclined.
If the response is not what we hoped for, we can go home and enjoy our own
healing in private."

"Forgiving does not usually happen at once. It is a process, sometimes a
long one, especially when it comes to wounds gouged deep. And we must expect
some lapses...some people seem to manage to finish off forgiving in one
swoop of the heart. But when they do, you can bet they are forgiving flesh
wounds. Deeper cuts take more time and can use a second coat."

"Forgiving does not erase the bitter past. A healed memory is not a deleted
memory. Instead, forgiving what we cannot forget creates a new way to
remember. We change the memory of our past into a hope for our future."

"Forgiveness has nothing to do with forgetting...A wounded person
cannot--indeed, should not--think that a faded memory can provide an
expiation of the past. To forgive, one must remember the past, put it into
perspective, and move beyond it. Without remembrance, no wound can be
transcended."

"Forgiveness is a rebirth of hope, a reorganization of thought, and a
reconstruction of dreams. Once forgiving begins, dreams can be rebuilt. When
forgiving is complete, meaning has been extracted from the worst of
experiences and used to create a new set of moral rules and a new
interpretation of life's events."

"In a way, forgiving is only for the brave. It is for those people who are
willing to confront their pain, accept themselves as permanently changed,
and make difficult choices. Countless individuals are satisfied to go on
resenting and hating people who wrong them. They stew in their own inner
poisons and even contaminate those around them. Forgivers, on the other
hand, are not content to be stuck in a quagmire. They reject the possibility
that the rest of their lives will be determined by the unjust and injurious
acts of another person."

"Vengeance is having a videotape planted in your soul that cannot be turned
off. It plays the painful scene over and over again inside your mind...And
each time it plays you feel the clap of pain again...Forgiving turns off the
videotape of pained memory Forgiving sets you free."

"Forgiveness is the only way to break the cycle of blame--and pain--in a
relationship...It does not settle all questions of blame and justice and
fairness...But it does allow relationships to start over. In that way, said
Solzhenitsyn, we differ from all animals. It is not our capacity to think
that makes us different, but our capacity to repent, and to forgive."

"Not to forgive is to be imprisoned by the past, by old grievances that do
not permit life to proceed with new business. Not to forgive is to yield
oneself to another's control...to be locked into a sequence of act and
response, of outrage and revenge, tit for tat, escalating always. The
present is endlessly overwhelmed and devoured by the past. Forgiveness frees
the forgiver. It extracts the forgiver from someone else's nightmare."


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