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I would definitely not be available to meet on her schedule. I am not willing to meet her at all currently. I've only seen her a couple of times in the last few weeks and only while I was picking up my son. She texted me about divorce and her plans to take my son. My replies were short and non-compliant. I forgot to mention that I've spoken to a different lawyer and he was quite confident that she has made enough mistakes already to make it quite difficult to remove my son against his will from the house he's lived in all his life. I'm taking every bit of confidence I can get externally while I build it up internally. Would somebody care to explain this quote ( I don't remember reading it in DR ):
"Believe nothing she says. And only half of what she does."


Me: 48, Her: 45
Son: 13
Married 15, Together 17
Affair started: 4/1/2018
ILYBINILWY: 6/4/2018
Affair confirmed: 7/15/2018
Detachment started: 7/20/2018
Divorce first seriously discussed: 8/3/2018
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WASs RARELY say the truth. WWs even less so. That quote is from sandi dealing re: dealing with WWs. WWs have no morals or ethics and will lie, steal and cheat if it nets them what they want. So you can't take their words at face-value. Even WASs will lie for a myriad of reasons. The problem is LBSs hang on every word of the WAS. Which is a very very bad idea.


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Well, at least I know that much. It is still hard to imagine this is the same person. What a strange year this has been.


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Son: 13
Married 15, Together 17
Affair started: 4/1/2018
ILYBINILWY: 6/4/2018
Affair confirmed: 7/15/2018
Detachment started: 7/20/2018
Divorce first seriously discussed: 8/3/2018
RWAlan #2805439 08/06/18 10:04 PM
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Listen to Steve. My WW lies about any and everything. 99% of the lies are so easy to see through it makes no sense. Its almost as if all common sense has escaped their brain, and they cant think clearly. Sadly, its true that you cant believe ANYTHING they say.


Together:20 years
M:3 years
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Examining my resentments, fears, and sex inventory in the fourth step of AA is helping a lot. Helping me understand myself. I think I'm past even trying to understand my wife except what I read here about MLC and WW. Also, the Big Book of AA talks about thinking of the person that is hurting you as sick and in need of help, but not your help.


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Affair started: 4/1/2018
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Originally Posted by Steve85
WASs RARELY say the truth. WWs even less so. That quote is from sandi dealing re: dealing with WWs. WWs have no morals or ethics and will lie, steal and cheat if it nets them what they want. So you can't take their words at face-value. Even WASs will lie for a myriad of reasons. The problem is LBSs hang on every word of the WAS. Which is a very very bad idea.


Steve, why are WAS and WW like that?

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She keeps texting me to ask how i am. So far I just say Fine, Great, or Good. I wait a few hours to send that. Sometimes I don't answer at all.


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Son: 13
Married 15, Together 17
Affair started: 4/1/2018
ILYBINILWY: 6/4/2018
Affair confirmed: 7/15/2018
Detachment started: 7/20/2018
Divorce first seriously discussed: 8/3/2018
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Originally Posted by RWAlan
She keeps texting me to ask how i am. So far I just say Fine, Great, or Good. I wait a few hours to send that. Sometimes I don't answer at all.


Yep, that the right approach. Don't be too eager. When you do answer 1 or 2 words. "I'm good" "Fine" etc.

You got this RW.


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I did not respond and she texted that she needs to speak with me soon. After what she said about taking my son with her, I do not know what to say if anything. Some options are "I no longer feel comfortable talking to you without advice from an attorney", "I just don't trust you after what you said", "I'm busy until the weekend", "All my free time is dedicated to our son", "I don't want to talk to you".
While typing this she texted again to ask a random question.


Me: 48, Her: 45
Son: 13
Married 15, Together 17
Affair started: 4/1/2018
ILYBINILWY: 6/4/2018
Affair confirmed: 7/15/2018
Detachment started: 7/20/2018
Divorce first seriously discussed: 8/3/2018
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I talked to the lawyer again that was so reassuring over the weekend. He suggested that I ask her what she wants to talk about and then call him back. She just wanted to schedule time to "have a chat" about the future. I told her to put it on paper and I'd get it this weekend. The lawyer suggested getting back into the house ASAP. I told her I was wanting more time with my son and that I might move back sooner rather than later. She didn't even object. I responded to almost everything with "I'll think about it". She mostly just kept saying that she didn't want to restrict access to my son in any way, that she always wanted a 50/50 custody split. I said put it on paper. The lawyer said he would represent me in a collaborative divorce which is the only thing she has ever mentioned and which he said is his specialty and allows for maximum flexibility especially for kids. She kept using weasel phrases like "If we get divorced". I didn't even respond to those. There was almost nothing to even disbelieve.


Me: 48, Her: 45
Son: 13
Married 15, Together 17
Affair started: 4/1/2018
ILYBINILWY: 6/4/2018
Affair confirmed: 7/15/2018
Detachment started: 7/20/2018
Divorce first seriously discussed: 8/3/2018
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