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Update:

this song by Bette Midler is kind of the theme of Retro.
Infact a Rose is always in the Room. At the end of the session. all of the husbands were give a red Rose to take back to their wives.
I have heard this song many times but never really looked at the words..

the last line

[b]“Just remember in the winter
far beneath the bitter snows
lies the seed
that with the sun's love
in the spring
becomes the rose”[/
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seems to say it all…


Some say love it is a river
that drowns the tender reed
Some say love it is a razer
that leaves your soul to blead

Some say love it is a hunger
an endless aching need
I say love it is a flower
and you it's only seed

It's the heart afraid of breaking
that never learns to dance
It's the dream afraid of wakingthat never takes the chance
It's the one who won't be taken
who cannot seem to give
and the soul afraid of dyingthat never learns to live

When the night has been too lonely
and the road has been too long
and you think that love is only
for the lucky and the strong
Just remember in the winterfar beneath the bitter snows
lies the seed
that with the sun's love
in the spring
becomes the rose

By Bette Midler

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That is a lovely tradition, H. We don't have that here. I will have to suggest it.

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We have 'The Rose' in OR, too. I thought program was identical in all locations. Who knew? I never liked the part where we were not allowed to tell anyone details of the weekend, so as not to spoil it for others. I say, "So what, if it gets them there".
Dr. Love, I am so proud of you. Peace.


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Gold,

We were told to be aware of what we share. I will not be discussing must more. As you must know there is a lot more to the program than I have told.
Like a movie I have only told of the plot. You would have to attend to know if the "Gardener killed the butler with the lead pipe or was the cook the gardener in disguise... Maybe the butler killed himself and made it look like the cook did it.
Ok I probably should not have disclosed the giving of the Rose. My Bad. But as I said from now on I will be just giving updates on my sitch.

(Got my good night kiss from Wife after we dialogued)


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I agree Goldy. I felt I needed more info than I found on the website. I try to fill in some detail, but always remember that it is the whole experience that is so effective, not just this part or that part.

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No worries, friends. One thing we can all agree on is that Retro is a program that can create positive, lasting change. It isn't for everyone. But I'll say it again, I've seen miracles. If I haven't already invited you over, you can check out my sitch on Newcomers. Somedays, Love is a Decision is the only thing that gets me through. Peace.


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Morning Everyone,

Today July 15th, 2008 in my 19th Wedding Anniversary...

I am back to work today after what seemed like a month long weekend.
Last night we had our "dialogue" and it went great. I revealed to Wife that up to the time we arrived at Retro I have been rehearsing over and over how to tell her I wanted a divorce.
I feel she did not realize how close WE were.
I revealed that that all of these years she has never had a picture of me on her desk, in her screen savers (has family pics but none of me). And how this has made me feel like I do not exist. (You may not have noticed but all of the pictures of my son's and my trip purposely had none with just him in them).)

This "dialoguing" is sooo important. I can feel the difference when we have our time as opposed to just being around each other. It's like coming up for air. (Dialoguing). And then I hold my breath and jump back into the muck that our marriage had become.
This morning I left a message on our note board for my wife:

Wife,
This is the first time in a long time that I can really say

Happy Anniversary
Love ya

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Awesome H. Happy Anniversary!

JAK

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You don't get to choose how you're going to die. Or when, you can only decide how you're going to live now. ~Joan Baez
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