Dang if I get Covid (again) I’m heading to United Memorial in Houston! Because In Illinois, according to the states official Department of Public Health website, 1,429 fully vaccinated patients have died this year, 443 in the last five weeks. They report it as:
“Breakthrough data include fully vaccinated individuals who have been hospitalized or died due to COVID-19 or complications from COVID-19.”
Guess it depends on who you talk to - 100% or far less than 100%. I don’t at all dispute many do better vaccinated than those who are not, it’s just nowhere near 100%. Be great if it were, but let’s keep,it honest. I’d post the link directly to the reporting website but it’s against the rules here. If you search Illinois dph vaccine breakthrough it should get you close. Make sure you’re on the official state of Illinois website.
Meanwhile in Minnesota there have been 1,011 breakthrough deaths according to the health.state.us Minnesota website.
Over 2,500 fully vaccinated deaths in only two states. Houston must be doing something special. Or not accurately reporting, or reporting the anecdotal conjecture of one very pro vaccination doctor.
DonH Midwest Me 56 WAW-EXW 55 Met 11/95 / Married 5/00 Bomb 6/20/05 / She Filed on 6/2/06 / Divorced on 10/9/06 4 who'd qualify as GF since D & dated about 25 women since D
That number is meaningless without knowing the number of unvaccinated deaths. In my city, which has an 80% vaccination rate among eligible people, 90% of ICU Covid cases are unvaccinated. And in this case “vaccinated” includes people with even just one shot. So stop trying to say vaccines don’t work. We knew from the initial studies that 10-% of vaccinated could still get the virus, but that you were extremely unlikely to die on a ventilator.
Also, scroll down the Minnesota page and dig into the data and you will see deaths among the unvaccinated are consistently ten times higher across all age groups.
I almost never remember mine - like, maybe 3 times a year. My best friend, on the other hand, has frequent elaborate dreams that often result in new songs. My first post-divorce boyfriend though is tortured with dreams of disasters all night long. So I guess I prefer my very rare dreams to his.
A long day packing up CMM's clothes and the like to donate. Tomorrow I pick up his ashes. It's a sad process but feels very necessary right now, to reclaim my life I need to get my space in order. And I have this time off so it's a convenient time to complete the tasks.
Tomorrow I'll finish my bedroom, although taking the donations in will be delayed because it will be raining tomorrow. I'll also take down the Xmas tree tomorrow. I may finish the closet reorganizing next week.
I'm keeping a few things that remind me of him. Strangely, I realize, the man had no smell. His clothes just smell like the fabric softener he used, or his cologne. But I never remember smelling sweat, no smell unique to him. Isn't that odd?
It fills like a huge hole, the space where he was. So much of my life in the past year was spent caring for him. It will take a while to fill that space back up with my own life.
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My oldest is the only one that was close to him. He’s doing ok - he’s taking very seriously CMM’s command to him to “take care of me”, which to this son means “feed me”. He’s sad, and I think once I’m back at work the emptiness will affect him more. Spending time together in the mornings when he gets off work right now seems to be helpful
That number is meaningless without knowing the number of unvaccinated deaths.
Nearly 2,500 Covid deaths in fully vaccinated people is meaningless. Good to know.
Originally Posted by kml
So stop trying to say vaccines don’t work. We knew from the initial studies that 10-% of vaccinated could still get the virus, but that you were extremely unlikely to die on a ventilator.
Guess you’ll have to tell that to these people and families. And I’m not at all saying vaccines don’t work. I’m saying they don’t work nearly as well as advertised, as well as you think they do and for 100% certain they don’t work at 100% as this doctor claimed. That 90% stat is also clearly not holding up.
Originally Posted by kml
Also, scroll down the Minnesota page and dig into the data and you will see deaths among the unvaccinated are consistently ten times higher across all age groups.
Once again, not true. The pundits try to claim 90% but both the Minnesota and Illinois stats show closer to 66% or one third are breakthrough cases - not 90%
Vaccines most certainly do help - especially in elderly at risk populations. They most certainly should get vaccinated. Being vaccinated will help many people. Meanwhile in Cook County Illinois far greater children have died by being shot to death than from Covid. Vaccinated children will do next to nothing when compared to vaccinating a senior citizen.
I just want people to be truthful, stop speculating and stop guessing. Telling the public “get vaccinated and you can’t get or transmit Covid to someone else” like our president did only puts more doubt into peoples minds when they see it’s clearly not true. The vaccines simply have not worked as advertised. The official state data proves it. That is, the data for states who actually collect and report it. Nearly 75% of states are not collecting and reporting breakthrough case data. Hmmmmmm I wonder why that is.
DonH Midwest Me 56 WAW-EXW 55 Met 11/95 / Married 5/00 Bomb 6/20/05 / She Filed on 6/2/06 / Divorced on 10/9/06 4 who'd qualify as GF since D & dated about 25 women since D
Deaths: Rate by age group per 100,000 Week starting: 5/2/2021 to 11/21/2021
Age 18-49. Fully vaccinated. 0.0 Not fully vaccinated. 0.5 Age 50-64. Fully vaccinated 0.4 Not fully vaccinated. 3.9 Age 65+ Fully vaccinated 3.5 Not fully vaccinated. 35.4
As I said - death rate is ten times higher in the unvaccinated (actually higher, because they group the people with one shot in with the unvaccinated).
Our hospitals would be seeing at least 80% fewer Covid deaths right now if everyone was vaccinated - which would mean staff wouldn’t be burning out, people with non-Covid issues wouldn’t be missing care etc. And yes, as I have always said, even with the vaccines people need to continue to mask and socially distance until the pandemic has died down to endemic status.
You’re making a common mistake Don of comparing absolute numbers to case rates. The RATE of risk of death per 100,000 cases is ten times higher in the unvaccinated, regardless of age group. No vaccine is 100%, ever, but these are pretty darn great ones.
Same in Canada KML. 85% of people in my province are vaccinated. The 15% who aren’t make up between 90 and 95% of those admitted to hospital. If the vaccine was ineffective, the hospitalization percentages would be the opposite of what they are. With this new strain, the vast majority of us are going to be exposed to this virus at some point. Whether we want this to happen with our immune systems already primed to fight it off or not, is the main question we need to ask ourselves. Personally, I sleep better at night knowing that I have done everything I can to survive it when/if I catch it.
Thank you for all that you do KML. I know being a medical professional during these crazy times is not easy, to put it mildly. You and Ginger are heroes in my book. (((HUGS)))
