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I wanted to emphasize what Vanilla said:

"Me: Ok yes I am a drunk and a verbal abuser."

Vanilla said: "Do not agree to any negative statement she makes. None."

This is extremely dangerous. She can use this in court to take custody away from you. You can say all you want that it was sarcasm, but it can be used against you.

Ignore, ignore, ignore.


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I think yours second conversation was much better, you kept it on task. When she spews, validate but don't agree.


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It seems like these arguments are over nothing. I mean, is having copies really that big of a deal for you to have? Heck, if it's that important for you to have originals just get another from the state. In FL it's about $8 and you fill out a form and take it to the health department and they print it right there. Just seems like mountains are made from mole hills just to be right or to get your way. Not worth it sometimes.

This 2nd exchange was way better but, still could have been reduced significantly. She says stuff to get a rise out of you and you take the bait. Mix it up on her and don't play the game.


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Originally Posted By: j20a00g
It seems like these arguments are over nothing. I mean, is having copies really that big of a deal for you to have? Heck, if it's that important for you to have originals just get another from the state. In FL it's about $8 and you fill out a form and take it to the health department and they print it right there. Just seems like mountains are made from mole hills just to be right or to get your way. Not worth it sometimes.

This 2nd exchange was way better but, still could have been reduced significantly. She says stuff to get a rise out of you and you take the bait. Mix it up on her and don't play the game.


Well said j20!
Well said.


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Thank you for the feedback everyone.

Why does it hurt when I do something nice for her.

She just sent a text asking if I get a discount on a certain model vehicle. She said she needs to get one asap.

I replied that I sent her the discount code 3 months ago.

She said I did not explain why? She then thanked me.


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I also had parent teacher conferences yesterday for the boys. I have some documentation that shows their progress.

xW has never brought up any conversation about the boys progress in school. Do I email her the documents or let it go?


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Originally Posted By: JimKao
Thank you for the feedback everyone.

Why does it hurt when I do something nice for her.

She just sent a text asking if I get a discount on a certain model vehicle. She said she needs to get one asap.

I replied that I sent her the discount code 3 months ago.

She said I did not explain why? She then thanked me.



So that's why you are so nit picky with her. Because you say it hurts to do something nice for her.

So you feel like if you give her a harder time it will make you feel better? I don't think it really does. it will certainly make your life more difficult. I don't think you really want that.

It hurts you to do something "nice" because you want it reciprocated and appreciated, but in a way that isn't possible.

So you can refrain your doing something nice for HER to doing something nice for your KIDS.

And if something you don't want to do that won't impact the kids at all, then it's your choice not to do it.

But the push back on simple tasks is hurting you more than it's hurting her.

You are still extremely emotionally attached. This will become clearer as you detach. But try taking your feelings out of your decisions and actions and see what happens.

just so you know, giving a discount that you can easily give with no cost to you on a car that your children will be passengers in will become a simple gesture that won't effect your emotions one day

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I meant "reframe", not "refrain"

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Originally Posted By: JimKao
I also had parent teacher conferences yesterday for the boys. I have some documentation that shows their progress.

xW has never brought up any conversation about the boys progress in school. Do I email her the documents or let it go?


You email it to her, and let her do what she will with it.

You don't want it to come back and bite you in the butt that you didn't. Don't overthink anything. If it pertains to the boys, share it.

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Was the comment "I emailed it to you 3 months ago" really necessary? Again, simple conversation that you were looking to turn into a full blown argument.

Ofcourse you send the report on the kids over.

Dude cmon. Step back and pretend it wasn't you saying this stuff....would you read someone else doing it and think it was right? Better yet, switch places with her...would you find these types of intentional jabs as beneficial for anyone?


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W moved out-8/16
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