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Pinhead, I think you're trying to pinpoint one of you as the cause of marital problems. I don't think that works well ... my H told me that I caused all our problems because of my low self esteem. It just made me withdraw. Marriage problems exist in the space between the people - where and how they interact.

I think the key is standing up for yourself (even when she's reacting negatively because of her low self esteem) without withdrawing or shutting down.


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PS "I thought that if I tried harder, gave her more attention then she'd feel better about herself."

Pinhead, I'm sorry, you can't fix that for her. Attention does help, it does. But it doesn't fix it... she's got to do that on her own... I know I did.


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she's got to do that on her own... I know I did.


Hmmmmmmm???? confused

When did FMV do it?


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Originally Posted By: Coach

Hmmmmmmm???? confused
When did FMV do it?

Well, I guess I thought I was a lot farther along than when I started all this. My apologies. I guess I mispoke.


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Originally Posted By: pinhead

I can stand up for myself, that's not a problem. But if she's feeling that she's "defective" and unworthy of love, then we're back to what is really the biggest cause of our marital problems.



What will make her stop feeling "defective" and how can you help facilitate that?

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What will make her stop feeling "defective" and how can you help facilitate that?


Probably not ruminating on feeling defective or escaping into TV programming or internet nonsense.

Getting up and doing something NOW is usually a first-step to self-esteem building.

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Originally Posted By: FindingMyVoice
PS "I thought that if I tried harder, gave her more attention then she'd feel better about herself."

Pinhead, I'm sorry, you can't fix that for her. Attention does help, it does. But it doesn't fix it... she's got to do that on her own... I know I did.


That's my entire point. I can't fix her. But some big problems in our relationship, maybe dealbreaker problems will persist until she feels better about herself.

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Originally Posted By: FindingMyVoice
Pinhead, I think you're trying to pinpoint one of you as the cause of marital problems. I don't think that works well ... my H told me that I caused all our problems because of my low self esteem. It just made me withdraw. Marriage problems exist in the space between the people - where and how they interact.

I think the key is standing up for yourself (even when she's reacting negatively because of her low self esteem) without withdrawing or shutting down.


I'm not blaming her for everything. I definitely didn't react or cope with stuff very well in our marriage. And I still make a lot of those mistakes.

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Originally Posted By: pinhead

I can stand up for myself, that's not a problem. But if she's feeling that she's "defective" and unworthy of love, then we're back to what is really the biggest cause of our marital problems.



What will make her stop feeling "defective" and how can you help facilitate that?


I unsuccessfully tried to help facilitate for 11 years to no avail.

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What will make her stop feeling "defective" and how can you help facilitate that?


Probably not ruminating on feeling defective or escaping into TV programming or internet nonsense.

Getting up and doing something NOW is usually a first-step to self-esteem building.

Ever try to make a horse drink?


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