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Frank...

The kids are just as affected. They just show it differently. I remember when my W left, My oldest girls (now 16 and 18) seemed to not be affected by it. As a matter of fact, they seemed very well adjusted to having two households. My S8 was telling people he had two houses. It broke my heart to see how "well adjusted" they were while I was suffering.

When my W and I reconciled, things went back to normal. My D16 declared we were rich again. Mostly because W never had any money when we separated.

Anyway, to get back to what I was saying, don't believe for one minute that your children have adjusted. They are simply handling it the best way they can.

Now as far as detachment is concerned, I hear what you are saying, yet I'm having a hard time buying it. Detaching is the hardest thing you can do. And it takes a long, long time. You're reporting your W's actions and your reactions tell me you are not as detached as you say you are. When her actions start to affect you the way a stranger on the street does, then you will be detached. That's hoe it worked for me. My W became a stranger to me. I was actually amazed at how unaffected I was by her actions and behavior. And I believe it was made possible by her leaving the house.

In reality, it was my detachment that brought her back. She wanted to know why I was "ignoring" her. She wasn't being ignored, she was just another person in passing to me.

I'm not saying that your W will come running back to you from your detachment. I felt so much better about myself when I was detached. I was able to live my life worry-free as far as my W was concerned.

Declaring you are detached sounds like you are trying to convince us as well as yourself. Jest let it happen and you will realize when you are there. Let the anger go. That's step one...


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Thanks Poohbear


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Amen to that.

I think someone else said it here, but it bears repeating. Detachment happens in your mind, not in your actions. Once it's firmly in your head, your actions naturally follow.

Remniscint of this is a passage from the Bible:

Luke 6:43-45

"No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks." [My Emphasis]

If you want to change the fruit, you've first got to change the root.

And it most definately is a process. No shortcuts here.

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No, no shortcuts.

I've come to see that I don't feel good when I'm around W, when I interact with W, when I THINK about W.

I want to feel good.

I'm changing how I speak and act now. I want conversations to be short, and only about kids. I'm not her friend but I'm also not mean.

So, W called a few minutes ago looking to talk to D12. I didn't talk like I was her friend. Just short answers.

W: Hi, I called to talk to D12

Me: She's not here, she went to the beach with her friend

W: Oh, I guess I'll talk to her later then (seemed disappointed) when will she be home?

Me: She'll be home around 5

W: Ok.

pause....

W: Do you think you can pick up D17 after band? I won't be done working until after band is over.

Me: Sure, I'm sure she'll call if she needs a ride.

W: Well you should call her cell and leave her a message.

Me: Ok, I will.

pause....

W: Well, I'll call later to talk to D12

Me: Ok.

W: well, bye.

Me: bye

I was neutral. In hindsight I realize I shouldn't have answered the phone at all. If she actually wants to talk to ME she can call my cell.


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I felt detached when I really started to enjoy my independence. I felt at ease with the understanding that it wasn't my responsibility to make her happy any longer. I just had myself and boys to think about. It was really a rush of freedom for me. I got so sick and tired of always thinking of her and OM that it was sucking the life's blood from me. I just stopped caring and that's when life become much more enjoyable for me. I was physically separated from her which I think made it easier.


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Originally Posted By: Astimegoeson
I felt detached when I really started to enjoy my independence. I felt at ease with the understanding that it wasn't my responsibility to make her happy any longer. I just had myself and boys to think about. It was really a rush of freedom for me. I got so sick and tired of always thinking of her and OM that it was sucking the life's blood from me. I just stopped caring and that's when life become much more enjoyable for me. I was physically separated from her which I think made it easier.


Agree with the sucking the life out of me. I'm tired of that part.


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I went to the grocery store to try to fill our bare cupboards. I realize I haven't been doing that, partly because W is supposed to take care of groceries as part of our so called financial agreement. Well, she has been giving D17 money occasionally to shop but D17 hasn't been getting much.

She's really not ready to take on that responsibility.

So, I'm being the single dad and taking care of things.

Just before I left W called and asked both girls if they wanted her to pick them up something to eat. D12 said no, she already ate, D17 was in the middle of eating. W said she'd pick up D17 a salad.

When I went to the store, W was there. She didn't see me and I avoided her. I felt like I posted earlier - it doesn't feel good to be around her so why do it?

I'm kind of melancholy tonight. I see my life spread out before me, with lot's of possibility of financial success if I keep my head on task. I see pretty much no possibility of my marriage being saved, at least not because of anything I do, and I understand that I need to sit quietly and no longer put any effort into it.

She seems happy with her life. She has a new man to fill the emptiness inside her, although he seems like a needy man also. A match made in heaven.

I know my marriage is a covenant and as such it should be saved. I'll let God decide that one.


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Originally Posted By: poohbear

My W became a stranger to me. I was actually amazed at how unaffected I was by her actions and behavior. And I believe it was made possible by her leaving the house.

In reality, it was my detachment that brought her back. She wanted to know why I was "ignoring" her. She wasn't being ignored, she was just another person in passing to me.

I'm not saying that your W will come running back to you from your detachment. I felt so much better about myself when I was detached. I was able to live my life worry-free as far as my W was concerned.


Very powerful post poohbear. Very powerful. Indeed frank..he is correct. When your W does something...and you lower the newspaper..peer over your glasses...then put the newspaper back up and continue reading...you are there.

Many of us feign detaching. Many of us confuse it with 'ignoring them', cold shouldering them. It is FAR beyond that. It is literally letting go and being able to recognize the richness of your life and moving forward with it. I, too, read your posts...and they are still filled with hurt.

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I think I am getting there.

I woke up this morning to the sound of someone in the kitchen downstairs. I thought it was D17 but then I heard her voice talking to someone.

So, I got up and went downstairs.

W was standing in the kitchen in a towel, she had just gotten out of the shower. She looked at me and said good morning then went to 'her room'.

She had made a pot of coffee, enough for both of us.

She was doing a load of laundry in the washer.

I put on some clothes and went for a morning walk.


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Peace is something we can contemplate every day. Walking meditation is one of the ways to contemplate peace, and today we are going to walk together, generating the energy of peace, solidity, and freedom. I suggest that when you breathe in, you make three steps. Bring your attention to the soles of your feet, and become aware of the contact between your foot and the ground. Bring your attention down from the level of the brain to the soles of your feet. Breathing in, we make three steps, and we may tell ourselves with each step, "I have arrived. I have arrived. I have arrived." And breathing out, we make another three steps, always mindful of the contact between our feet and the ground, and we say, "I'm home. I'm home. I'm home."

Arrived where? Where is our home? According to the teaching and the practice of the Buddha, life is available only in the present moment, in the here and the now. And when you go back to the present moment, you have a chance to touch life, to encounter life, to become fully alive and fully present. That is why every step brings us back to the present moment, so that we can touch the wonders of life that are available. Therefore, when I say, "I have arrived," I mean I have arrived in the here and the now -- the only place, the only time where and when life is available, and that is my true home.

The Buddha said that the past is already gone, and the future is not yet here. There is only one moment for us to live, and that is the present moment. We have an appointment with life, and that appointment takes place in the present moment. If we miss the present moment, we miss our appointment with life, which is serious. In our daily life, we have a tendency to think about the past, to get caught in the sorrow and regret concerning the past, and to get caught in the fear and uncertainty about the future, so our mind is not in the present moment. That is why it is very important to learn how to go back to the present moment in order to become fully alive, fully present. Walking meditation helps us do that easily.

When I begin, I make two or three steps and I practice arriving. "I have arrived. I am home." It means, I don't want to run anymore, because I know that conditions for my happiness are already here in the present moment. Sometimes we believe that happiness is not possible in the here and the now; we need a few more conditions to be happy. So we run towards the future to get the conditions we think are missing. But by doing so we sacrifice the present moment, we sacrifice true life. Therefore, learning how to go home to the present moment is the basic practice of mindfulness. "I have arrived. I am home." My home is right here, right now. I don't want to run anymore. The habit of running may have been transmitted to me by my parents, and I may have been running all my life. Now I don't want to run anymore, I want to stop. Walking meditation helps us learn to stop in order to be truly alive, truly present. "I have arrived. I am home."

If you walk like that with every step, the energy of mindfulness and concentration will be there to support you. And the place where you walk becomes the pure land of the Buddha or the kingdom of God. The blue sky, the beautiful vegetation, the face of a child, the flower blooming -- all these wonders belong to the kingdom of God, to the pure land of the Buddha. We allow separation between us and those wonders of life because we allow anger, fear, grieving, and despair to stand in our way. Going home to our body by mindful breathing will help us let go of our worries, our regret and our fear, and that is the basic condition for us to get in touch with the wonders of life that are truly present in the here and the now.

We should walk in such a way that the pure land of the Buddha, the kingdom of God becomes a reality in the here and the now. There is not one day when I do not enjoy walking in the kingdom of God, in the pure land of the Buddha. Why should I deprive myself of that pleasure? I need only some energy of mindfulness, of concentration, in order to penetrate into the kingdom of God, into the pure land of the Buddha.

The kingdom of God is available to you in the here and the now. But the question is whether you are available to the kingdom. Our practice is to make ourselves ready for the kingdom so that it can manifest in the here and the now. You don't need to die in order to enter the kingdom of heaven. In fact, you have to be truly alive in order to do so. It's not too difficult. Just breathe in and bring your mind back to your body. That is the practice of mindfulness.

Mindfulness of breathing can be combined with mindfulness of walking, and you will continue to get the nourishment and healing that is available in the here and the now. Let us walk in such a way that every step can bring us stability, freedom, healing, and transformation. In order for each step to be solid, to be free, to be healing, to be nourishing, we need the energy of mindfulness and concentration. That energy can be obtained by mindful breathing, mindful stepping. "I have arrived. I am home." That is not a statement. That is a practice, and you will know whether you have arrived or not in the here and the now. You don't need another person to tell you. If you are truly established in the here and the now, you feel free, and you can get in touch with all the wonders of life that are available to you. Every step is an enjoyment.

Peace is the outcome of that practice. Walk in such a way that peace becomes a reality in every cell of your body, in every cell of your consciousness, because our consciousness is also made of cells. Mental formations, feelings, perception - they're all the cells of our consciousness. And when we breathe peacefully, the peace of our breath will penetrate into our body and into our mind. Then very soon, in no time at all, body, mind, and breath will become one in concentration, and we get the energy of stability, solidity, and freedom generated by every step we make. "I have arrived. I am home." That is a practice.

After a few minutes, you may move to the second line of the poem: "In the here. In the now." It means I have arrived in the here and the now. I am at home in the here and the now. The address of the pure land, the address of the kingdom of God, the address of peace and brotherhood is here and now. If you want to meet the Buddha, if you want to touch God, if you want to touch the ultimate dimension, that is the address: the here and the now. It is very special.

After some time, you might like to move to the third line. "I am solid. I am free." Solidity and freedom are the most important characteristics of happiness. Without some solidity, without some freedom, true happiness is not possible; therefore, every step should be able to generate more of the energy of solidity and freedom. And, again, this is not a wish or a declaration. If you are able to make steps, they can bring you back to the here and the now. You become more solid and freer with every step. So, "I am solid, I am free" means I notice that now I am more solid, I am freer. That makes the practice much more pleasant, because every step helps to bring more solidity and freedom to you. You walk like a prince. You walk like a lion, a princess. You walk like a king, because you are truly yourself, with all your serenity. "I am solid. I am free."

Every step becomes a delight. Every step has the power to heal, to transform. Not only can we heal ourselves by our steps, but we can help heal the Earth and the environment.

The last line of the poem is, "In the ultimate I dwell." There are two dimensions to reality. The first dimension is called the historical dimension, and the second dimension is the ultimate dimension. We have an ultimate dimension--the ground of our being--and if we know how to live deeply every moment of our historical dimension, we are able to touch our ultimate dimension.

It is like a wave. A wave may seem to have a beginning and end. A wave might be seen as high or low, big or small, different or not different from other waves. These terms--beginning, ending, high, low, more or less beautiful--they belong to the dimension called historical, but the wave is at the same time the water. Water transcends the form of the wave, the idea of beginning, ending, high, or low. These notions apply to the wave but not to the water. The moment when the wave realizes that she is water, she loses all her fear and she enjoys much more being a wave. She is free from birth and death, being and non-being, high or low, because when we are able to touch our ultimate dimension, we are no longer subjected to fear-- fear of being; fear of non-being; fear of birth; fear of death.

This is a very, very deep practice. When you've touched your true foundation, your true nature, the nature of no birth and no death, then non-fear arises. And with non-fear, true happiness will become possible. It is possible to live each moment of our daily life in such a way that helps us to touch our ultimate dimension. And this is a wonderful way to transcend fear.

"I have arrived. I am home. In the here. In the now. I am solid. I am free. In the ultimate I dwell." Four lines guiding us in our practice of walking meditation. Let us practice together as a Sangha, as a community. Let us flow like a river, generating peace with every step we make. There is no walk for peace; peace is the walk. By walking, we generate peace within our body, our consciousness. We embrace and heal the pain, the sorrow, the fear in us, and that is the ground for helping peace to be a reality in the world. Let us sing these lines together in order to help memorize the four lines of the song: "I have arrived. I am home. In the here and in the now. I am solid. I am free. In the ultimate I dwell."

Let us walk together and let us generate the energy of peace and happiness and joy. Let us transform this place and this time into the kingdom of God, into the pure land of the Buddha. This is possible. The collective energy of mindfulness will be generated and penetrate into every one of us for our transformation and healing. Happy walking for everyone.

Copyright 2002 Thich Nhat Hanh

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