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Ok, take 3:
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Julia,

Thank you for this. It's really courageous that you were able to reach out after the rough time you've had.

You're right...I do have a lot of work to do, and your compassion and grace mean more to me than you know. I'm making a purposeful effort to understand just how this has affected you. But I know I have a lot more work to do.

My birthday was peaceful, thanks. John and I drove a van with 5 teens all day Thurs and Fri to their conference in Oregon. Such a beautiful drive. So great to get some fresh air.

Best,
E


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Feedback on above? 25, Bond, maybell?


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Originally Posted By: DBinSF
Ok, I'm think something with a LITTLE more validation of a few things she brought up. I want her to know she was heard. I think being TOO brief night make her think I didn't take all her vulnerability to heart.

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Julia,

Thank you for this. I know you've had just as rough a time as me these last few months (probably worse), so it means a lot that you were able to reach out.

Do NOT compare your pain to hers. Period.



You're right...I do have a lot of work to do, and your compassion and grace mean more to me than you know. I'm making a purposeful effort to understand just how this has affected you by talking to a numerous women who have been betrayed,

do NOT mention talking to other women. Really.


and my work with Greg is STARTING paying off. But I know I have more to do.

My birthday was great, thanks. John and I drove a van with 5 teens all day Thurs and Fri to their conference in Oregon. Such a beautiful drive. So great to get some fresh air. smile

Best,
E





that's my .02


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Oops, I had not seen this version

Originally Posted By: DBinSF
Ok, take 3:
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Julia,

Thank you for this. It's really courageous that you were able to reach out after the rough time you've had.

You're right...I do have a lot of work to do, and your compassion and grace mean more to me than you know. I'm making a purposeful effort to understand just how this has affected you. But I know I have a lot more work to do.

My birthday was peaceful, thanks. John and I drove a van with 5 teens all day Thurs and Fri to their conference in Oregon. Such a beautiful drive. So great to get some fresh air.

Best,
E


Looks good to me.


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S30,D28,D19
H off to Alaska 2006
Recon 7/07- 8/08
*2016*
X = "ALASKA 2.0"
GROUND HOG DAY
I File D 10/16
OW
DIV 2/26/2018
X marries OW 5/2016

= CLOSURE 4 ME
Embrace the Change
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DB,

Julia,

Thank you for this. It's really courageous that you were able to reach out after the rough time you've had.

You're right...I do have a lot of work to do, and your compassion and grace mean more to me than you know. I'm making a purposeful effort to understand just how this has affected you. But I know I have a lot more work to do.

My birthday was peaceful, thanks. John and I drove a van with 5 teens all day Thurs and Fri to their conference in Oregon. Such a beautiful drive. So great to get some fresh air.

Best,
E


This is a much better one...wouldn't you agree?! smile It is good to go.

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what he said ^^^^

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H off to Alaska 2006
Recon 7/07- 8/08
*2016*
X = "ALASKA 2.0"
GROUND HOG DAY
I File D 10/16
OW
DIV 2/26/2018
X marries OW 5/2016

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Ok, it's off. Thank you all for your support. Now I have to let go of the result and get back to work.

Sigh.


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Originally Posted By: DBinSF
No, different Fiancee. The one from a few years ago is now engaged to someone else, and I'm happy for her.

The reason I think we can get through it is because our sex is GOOD often, it just hasn't been as good as it was with OW. But I can't ever have an affair again -- it completely degraded my self worth. I got more and more depressed the longer it went on.

My fiancee is the kindest, sweetest, most loving and nurturing woman I've ever met. I am DEEPLY remorseful. And she won't have anything to do with me at this point.



With your current fiancée you weren't sexless?

How much better was the sex with OW than the fiancée and why do you think it was like that?

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DB, I'm sorry I didn't weigh in sooner, i was traveling. You got perfect advice. I'm glad you heard from her.


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Ok, I'm freaking out a little. She's said over and over these last few months that every time I communicate with her, it's "all about me." Was that message too much about me and my process? Should I have shown more understanding of what she's been through?

I hate second guessing, but I'm so worried about misteps and making things worse.


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