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can I just say, that if Patti's H told the truth je would have no need to feel guilty - she has bent over backwards to make his homecoming as painless as possible. any guilt he has IMHO comes from being less than truthful NOW!!!

Hey, Liz, If one has trouble swallowing the viagra does one get a stiff neck for a few hours??????


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My goodness Patti, a lot of comment.

How do you feel right now? Is having your h home OK? Are you happy in your space together, or is it eggshells? Is the lack of intimacy a problem for you or is that you 'feel ' you should be having sex?? We live in a society that is preoccupied, rather pruriently, with other peoples sex lives.

For so many of the MLCers so much of it is about sex [and death, by implication]. And we get sucked into that vortex. I am not saying sex isn't important, but try not to assign teh same importance to it that the MLCer does/did. A wine lover likes wine. An alcoholic needs it. A big and crucial difference

We hear a lot about behaving well and not behaving well. SOrry but for the MLCer this is irrelevant. They are in survival mode, where let's face it you will kill and eat another person to stay alive.

Patti, he is still in MLC, and it is tough. Do what you need to survive. Rant here, throw him out or leave if you can't take it - and most of us couldn't. But do what you thnk is right for you. You can't fix him.

Ulitmatums, 'should' and 'shoudn't' apply to those people whose h's didn't have a MLC. For the MLCer those terms are irrelevant as long as they are in the girp of this crisis. Please do not think I am condoning immorality, not at all. The problem is they have lost their moral compass!!

Hugs, and a not very helpful post

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Blessed With Less
Psalm 81:6-16

Today's passage paints a popular picture of the Lord's blessing. We read and assume, if I just listen and obey God, He'll give me more and more! We tend to think of blessings as new benefits He gives us to enjoy. We might praise God for the extra blessing of a salary increase. We may thank Him that He blessed us with a new relationship. In our minds, the term "blessing" has become synonymous with "gift," hasn't it?

Some believers may be surprised to hear that God often blesses us by taking things away. They think; how can God benefit me by giving me less of what I enjoy?

This way of thinking reveals a problem of pride. It's easy to assume we know what's best for ourselves. Our logical conclusion is, if I enjoy something, then it must be good and proper. As such, the Lord's blessing should give me more of that, right?

Wrong. God brings things into our lives that He knows will bless us. Our shortsighted perspective keeps us from seeing the whole picture, but He sees all from beginning to end. He knows whether a particular relationship or more money would ultimately be a blessing or a curse. In some situations, the best thing He can "give" is to take something away.

The Lord isn't a cosmic Santa Claus. Sometimes, in His wisdom, He chooses to "bless with less." Can you remember a particular loss or disappointment that caused you to question whether He was acting in your best interest? With time and perspective, can you see God's loving care for you by taking something away?


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BND,

I just love this. Thank you for posting it.

AN2M, I'm so sorry things are painful for you now. I hope they work out the way you want them too and you can find some peace.


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I could not agree more with this post. It is correct. The 'prosperity gospel is a very dangerous one, and does much harm. It is based on the notion of 'Cheap Grace', and as BND says, God as Santa Claus.

The beginning of all faith is obedience, just as obedience lies at the beginning of all faith. The two are intertwined, and inseparable.

We should also remember however, that this is not necessairly of God's choosing. He will support us through all of this, but He blessed us with free will, and does not manipulate that to bring about desired outcomes, except in the rarest and most urgent cases. But 'all things work together for good for those that Love God' He will redeem evil with good, but in His time, which is not the same as ours. It is tough though.

The Christian path is not easy until we totally submit ourselves to God's will. And I for one am not there yet.

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Patti:

How are you doing today?


The Bomb: 08/05
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H moves back: 01/07 & Out again: 01/07
H moves back: 03/08 & Out again: 04/08
H moves back: 05/09 & Out again: 07/09
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he took warren with him to go see ow to tell her she has to be be gone by end of june (i dont want him in the apt alone with her) she wasnt home...off with friends even tho her jeep was there. hes called a couple times.. guess shes avoiding him.....she prob knows whats coming....


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7/21/07 H comes home
7/07 -7/08 long haul letting go of OW
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hang in there an2m, I am praying for you...

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Sep 8/07
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thanks TOH.
Hes still blaming me for his leaving....I pushed him out, He couldnt take it anymore. I wasnt there for him....Blah blah....he thought the grass was greener on the other side....


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7/21/07 H comes home
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Patty,

Sweetie, can you tell he is still in MLC?

The jibberish and MLC jargon that spouts so eloquently from his mouth is an indication that he is not quite there yet.

Let it wash off your back......

((((((((hugs)))))))


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I am praying to go through this test and come out the other end with a new and better marriage then before.
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