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Originally Posted By: cemar
Boys are the target of the Redlin brigade.
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Cemar, the drug is RITALIN-- holy cr@p, man!
Maybe, lil, you should do your research before you make that familiar leap to condemnation. Note that Mr. Redlin's spouse is (yep) a pharmacist. Plus, everyone knows that the only things that come out of University of Kansas's William Allen White School of Journalism are slackers and coffee-bean-suckers.

Hairdog, proud coffee-bean-sucking graduate of the birthplace of the Redlin Brigade: KU.

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I can't tell if my leg is being pulled or not.

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My guess is that it is.

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Cemar I saw a doctor on TV that said you can achieve Redlin is a STIMULANT (similar to Cocaine). He said that the SAME effects could be achieved the way they do it in 3rd world countries, by giving the boy a coffee bean to suck on.
Some of the boys in the group home acted out less when they drank a little coffee. If they drank a lot of strong coffee with lots of sugar, their behavior was very active and out of control.

The boys knew about the coffee and took it an extreme. A cup of coffee grounds to a cup of water, and a half cup of sugar.

The staff at the group home used coffee once in a while to deal with behavior problems.

I had to watch them all of the time. Several day to day, innocent things turned into crazy making.

I learned about coffee and ADD from a teacher.

I think it would take more than chewing on a bean or two to do the trick.

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Originally Posted By: mrs.cac4
Balto, I don't think I'm completely following you. If you don't think there's anything wrong with taking something that improves quality of life even without a diagnosis of a medical condition, then what is your issue with the "ADD industry?" Do you think they are preying on people, or getting rich on others' misfortunes, or expanding the power of the pharmaceuticals? Just trying to understand your point.


I don't think there is anything wrong with taking medication. What I think is wrong is that there are throngs of practitioners who will hear me describe a normal situation at work and because they are predisposed, they will assume ADD and prescribe me medication. You went through a battery of tests. That is great. I went and talked to an ADD "specialist", described my situation about falling behind at work, and was immediately given meds.

Not just any meds mind you. No, he said basically that since Ritalin is short acting and people with ADD tend to be forgetful he would not use the $10 a month generic Ritalin, but the new $500 a month special time released version. Someone is making a killing and some of these specialists are only a small step above an internet pharmacy selling at street drug prices.

Is it driven by profit? Is it simply a "if all you have is a hammer everything starts to look like a nail" situation? I don't know but it doesn't seem like good medicine to me.


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Yup ""if all you have is a hammer everything starts to look like a nail"

Edit that to read " If your hammer cost lots of time and money, you find nails to hammer."

When the auto repair shop I worked in, bought some expensive diagnostic equipment, a lot more cars were put through a few more tests.

Why? Because supposedly there was an unmet need the public had and with the new diagnostic tools, we could help the customer to have better driving experiences and help the customer to avoid break-downs and sluggish vehicle operation.

I like Ford Model “A”’s (1928~1931) and they had a manual powered windshield wiper, no heater and certainly no radio. In 1950, a well equipped car had a heater, an AM radio powered windshield wipers, and white-walled tires. Now, look at what is considered normal or at least minimum equipment.

I think something similar is true for the medical industry. The more knowledge and money available, the more people want, the more the medical industry will supply.

Take away the money and just see how little you get in anything in life.

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Anyway, as a "recovering LDW" would you say:

(1) Even when you're "not in the mood", getting started usually puts you in the mood and
(2) when you're not feeling close or turned on, does going through with it anyway and getting turned on and enjoying it make you end up feeling closer?


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Oh yeah, that is what I started talking about, isn't it? I forgot.

(1)Usually. There have been times when I didn't think I could get there, typically because it's late and I'm concerned about getting up in the morning and getting S4 out to school. If it's the weekend, I can get into the mood.

(2)Yes. I've noticed a shift in how I feel after sex. I usually feel more bonded and close afterwards than I used to feel. I also have noticed that after cac and I have had words about something I actually want to get the close feeling back by having sex. Basically, "makeup" sex was not part of our R. Lately, I find that it's what I want to feel close again, assuming I have been able to talk about my feelings first. Even if I don't feel completely satisfied with our "talk," I still crave physical contact. Simply put, I am starting to feel loved through PT with my husband.

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I think (2) above is a huge growth step!

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Mrs. Cac:

I'd like to give you a big 'atta girl!!'

You are doing very well. You really are. I think you need to be a little kinder with yourself, overall... and you can continue to improve... but I really think you need to give yourself a WHOLE lot of credit... and if CAC is reading, maybe he can give you a nice hug for your efforts, too. (AHEM)

BEING someone who has come up against CAC full-throttle whistling in the dark, wanting to forget it all, I can... uhm... understand the man is not... uhm... the easiest endeavor in your life.

But... would you want him to be?

He is a man of great passion. He loves deeply because he hurts deeply. You can't have one without the other.

So he is not a man who sits and opens his emotions to you on a daily basis. Well, that's tough for us LD ladies. But for you to sit here and bash yourself for what you HAVE NOT YET done... I dunno. I want to say to you.... 'hey, stop beating up on my friend Mrs. Cac. You're stealing my job.' \:\)

You are finding your way. You cannot expect you to 'GET IT' overnight, any more than you can expect your son to fly a plane at four. kwis?

Cac is... Cac. He is who he is. He may show up here and respond, as a man, to a post that is going to leave you feeling uncomfortable sometimes. But that doesn't mean he is slamming you. He's not hiding himself... you openly communicate here. Do you have any understanding of how HUGE that is? Think of all the HD's who post here who WISH their wives would show up... kwis?

I KNOW how hard it is for you... and you don't hide it. You are TRYING. You ARE making progress... even if, in your quiet moments, you want to give up and say to everyone... no, no, I just can't DO it, it isn't IN ME!!!

Sure it is. It's okay to doubt. It's okay that it is hard. It is okay that some days you just want to give up.

But you... don't. You don't give up. You continue to try and find your way. You show up here, and you post, and you say... "golly, with all you HD folk, I just feel so alone sometimes."

You aren't alone. I'm here. I know exactly what you are feeling. I know I don't come across as the kindest person sometimes... a lot of times... but you keep posting Mrs. Cac. Vent. Talk about ADD and your fears and whatever... everyone here, though you may feel pressured... wants to see you succeed... not for them, not for CAC... just for you, because they care about YOU. And we all care about CAC, too... but we all care about YOU for YOU. Not simply because we want to see CAC get laid.

Everyone here WISHES you were their spouse. Showing up here, posting, trying.

Let up on my friend, Mrs. Cac. She's a helluva girl.

P.S. Cac.... azzhole ( \:\) ) hug your wife.

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