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No problem Tom. Pulling ourselves out of the quagmire and learning to enjoy life and believe in ourselves takes a bit of work. But..we can get there. It takes time. FIB


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Originally Posted By: faithisbelieving
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Scarcity mentality is a state of seeing everything in your life as limited and scarce. It makes you hang onto a bad relationship, bad job, etc., because a bad one is better than none at all, where an abundance mentality is a state of seeing everything as a journey to better and better things, knowing that you can create your opportunities and do what is necessary to reach your goals.

Take two people, one with a scarcity mentality and one with an abundance mentality, and give them ten thousand dollars. The one with scarcity mentality will live in fear of losing his money, and will most likely spend it on things that bring him no real value rather than risk losing it, or will never spend it and enjoy it because he's too busy keeping his options open to ever exercise one of them.

However, the one with the abundance mentality will see the opportunities that cash presents, and use it to make even more money, and will reach financial independence if he is diligent in the conduct of his business, or if someone manages to steal it from him or his market takes an unexpected turn against him, he will say, "Wow! Now I know how to do this right, and can protect myself from it next time. I'm going to raise capital and try it again!"

A lesser man might make it that far, but when faced with failure, have scarcity sneak in on him and cause him to decide, "Well, I'm just not cut out for this, and any business I start is going to fail, so I'm just going to not bother trying again."

That same thing happens in relationships. People take responsibility, have a great relationship for a while, things go sour for some unexpected reason, and in a fit of emotional weakness, they say, "Well, I had the wool pulled over my eyes, and relationships aren't worth it after all," instead of just acknowledging the reality that either they made a mistake or their partner did, or maybe even both of them, and sitting down to discuss it and making repairs to the relationship or exiting to find a better one.

Personal responsibility coincides with abundance mentality, and a lack of personal responsibility coincides with scarcity mentality. It's consistent, but is there a single cause-and-effect relationship, or does the door swing both ways, meaning, will taking personal responsibility induce an abundance mentality and will an abundance mentality also induce personal responsibility?



SH....have a look at that book? No More Mr. Nice Guy? FIB


Love the quote. Can women read it too????? And StilHopeful...you may not recall me but I remember you and your name and some of the story. I recall your guilt ridden attitude and maybe that's part of why you held on longer. I totally see that b/c PARTLY you dont' want your kids to think it was solely that which caused the divorce and maybe now, it isn't even a big factor.

Yes you have come a long way. Interesting about your xw's feelings or resentment about the family's reactions. I do think IDEALLY both x family's would try to be sensitive and all that. Honestly, how are the kids helped by hostility from others in addition to their own parents?? Dang!!

Some in laws can handle it and some cannot. I am one of 9 kids, so there have of course been 5 divorces...very diff situations.

When my bil broke my oldest sister's heart AGAIN, I just had no use for him. If I saw him at a function I'd be very civil, he was certainly invited to any of his own kids functions, but he repeatedly cheated on her after 22 years and her putting him thru law school, he was a WAS, etc etc and so, no one "disowned" him but it's not as if we all liked his company WHEN they were married. (!!) He called ME once to have lunch just after the divorce, and I thought it was about a recon with my sister... and to this day I cannot tell if he was making a pass at me, or just wanted to shoot the breeze as if the good old days were still here, but he seemed to thinkmy sister's face had simply been erased in his family photo...?? WTH? NO, if you leave my sister in the poor house after all the crazy crap you put her thru and left her with 3 kid s in a state without alimony so she gets half the DEBT of your schooling but worked the whole time and yada yada, you get the picture. He used her, spat her out and moved in w/ OW #1...oh, for the record, he DID regret it big time and he DID tell my sister he was truly sorry and that he "got it" that he had "F-" up big time and when she asked him if he ever thought about the unconditional love she tried to give him, he said "I think about that everyday"...so some people do wake up. Alas, he was too late. She is remarried and much much happier. Others in my family feel the same-- It's like he's on a diff continent, and his yearly visits are fine...but ho hum...SEE YA!

CONTRAST TOTALLY the opposite, with my ex sil, whom my lovable but idiot MLC Brother left. He broke HER heart, and she and I and other sisters stay in touch, and sometimes vacation together and she and I speak more than my brother and I do. I told my brother I would not disown him at the time, but that I strongly thought he was making "the mistake of a lifetime" etc and all my sisters did. He's too proud to admit what HE SHOULD have learned by now...but who knows? He remarried a nice woman with almost zero expectations of him....what's that say? I mean he MAY be happier...he missed his only child's childhood for a JOB...geez, never mind.

The way our family treats the ex's is pretty kindly, but it does depend on WHY they divorced (and we're able to stay close to "both parties" and usually do) AND OR how the ex treats our sibling after the divorce.
2nd reason seems to matter most in the long run...if there are kids.

I have one sil who STILL HATES my younger brother (12 years later?) so much that her hatred has ALWAYS BEEN PARAMOUNT TO HER (Like FIB's w, I think) and that has been a hard thing b/c I made efforts to see my nieces when they first split but my x sil would tell ME in front of the girls that she 'hates" my brother. WTH am I supposed to do with that info? My visits there dropped off and soon I only saw them at my brother's when he had custody.

She sooo badly treated my younger brother AFTER their divorce (and it was a mutual div if I ever saw one) but SHE Chose not to see us much..contrast the other sil with whom we are all still close, and SHE was the LBSer but never bad mouthed my brother in front of their d, and that makes a HUGE diff.

(One note, my older brother - the MLC WAH, pays less support than he should, until recently. A lot less and I know what they both earned and he has made a fortune in real estate but only pays when HE thinks the ex w really needs it as he has "investments" to make....Maybe the past 2 years he's paid his share but in truth he "owes" for past lost support and if she wanted to, my ex sil could take him to court and say "pay up the $60k you forgot about when you "BORROWED MONEY FROM ME INTEREST FREE BY NOT PAYING ANYTHING AT ALL AND NOT TELLING ME UNTIL THE CHECKS BOUNCED, THAT YOU WERE "BORROWING" FROM ME, AGAIN......" but she doesn't. She NEVER took him to court for non payment. At least not yet. If she were not formerly m to my brother, I'd say take him to court so there are times I feel conflicted. She deserves the money and so does my niece. Maybe not MY battle?
It'd cause a lot of trouble forever with my brother who would line up everyone and twist things and only the girls would "get it" as the brothers are all terrifed their wives will leave them and take all they have, and blah blah blah....tiresome.

ANYHOW, it IS telling that your two families are reacting their ways but I also applaud your inlaws for their fairness and putting their grandchildren's comfort ahead of any desire for revenge. Your ex could have learned something from her own family that she somehow missed....oh well.
I hope NO ONE bad mouths the other spouse in front of the kids...on either side and it sounds like your inlaws don't, which is a real gift to you.

Congrats on the movement and clarity and I like your new mantra. Excellent and provocative. I may have to adopt it as my own (but will give you credit of course...)

(( j ))


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Long time no post..what's new? FIB


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25yearsmlc,

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts, experiences and kind words.

Bringing you, and everyone, up to date, as of today. I'm coming up on 3 months of really letting go of my DBing pursuit and finally deciding to be happy in MY life. I've been on an interesting journey for the past (nearly) decade (8 years together, THEN 3+ years after split), as I have finally let go of my attachment to XW and am making definitive, if small, steps towards putting my psyche and self-esteem back together, after my time with XW.

I blame myself, not XW. I take full responsibility for my becoming self-destructively co-dependent over time, and then enduring that co-dependency unraveling over 38 months. THAT journey down the 'rabbit hole' snuck up on me and the quest out and up has been, and continues to be, a difficult and determined process of both redemption and self-preservation.

Since I've moved 75 miles away from XW (and D8 & S3), I haven't had much contact with XW, nor her family, but the contact I have had with my ex-in laws has always been cordial and nice. My contact with XW has been minimal, and the few times we have communicated, has too often been XW being difficult too often and me refusing to buy into her shenanigans. I'm getting stronger by the day, but climbing out of the hole and moving forward I've determined is a much more arduous task than I initially anticipated. I'm making progress, though. Let go and moving forward. I'll be better than before.

Separate note: in March, I came into contact with a female (TAP) HS classmate/friend through facebook after 25 years. Initially, I let her know all about my 'stuff' with XW, and added my other 'issues' from my past. I very much wanted to be friends with TAP again, and I knew that being open, honest and transparent with her was the only way that that would happen. After a while, TAP asked me, ideally, what I wanted to see happen as a resolution with XW. I told TAP that I wanted the opportunity to work on reconciling with my XW and we'd successfully re-marry. She asked me some pointed questions about what I had done to facilitate that end, and upon hearing 'not much', she encouraged me step up and tell XW what I wanted and let XW really decide, despite my fears of what I believed (from the beginning) was her likely and repeated answer.

I had a conversation with XW, again, and I received the answer I had anticipated from XW from Day 1. After that, AND XW's bringing her 'flavor-of-the-month' around me twice, I decided to attend my ex-SIL's graduation party to see my children and congratulate ex-SIL, let go of my thread of a hope to reconcile with XW and started my new life without XW.
All of this was on April 23, 2009. My first day of self-determined happiness, for no reason other than being happy for the sake of being happy.

Anyway, shortly after that date, I realized that I was open to actually exploring a relationship with TAP, making her the first woman that I was open to any kind of relationship with. My relationship with TAP has had it's own dips, as I've ventured into a new relationship as my new and improving me. Of course, some of those dips have been a direct result of still needing to deal with XW and TAP's lingering concerns about my feelings for XW that have not been permanently extinguished. I've assured her they have and that XW is not and will not be an issue for our relationship.

In closing, I'm feeling that this is not the proper forum for me to journal my 'travels' in my life, as this board is about Divorce Busting, not starting one's life anew with someone new. I am moving forward, and I have the clarity to know and accept that my XW made the decision to D me because she felt THAT path was the best path to resolve HER and our life issues. I want the best for some people in my life: me, XW, D8, S3 and TAP.

I look forward to my fellow Dber responses to my post. Wish me well in and pray for my moving forward quickly and well, in sorting out my life in a wise, efficient and productive way and in being happy, just for the sake of being happy.

I wish you all well.

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fib,

Pleases read above, my good friend. I hope all is well, or at least improving, in your world. Let me know how it goes.


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Sounds like you are doing well. You should post to 'Surviving the Big D' because then you give hope to others who got divorced.


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frank_D..., my good friend!

I will post to Surviving the Big D. Thank you, Frank. How are you and your daughters? I hope well.


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We are well. STBXW has been asking for 'stuff' from the house, and of course that I pay off our tax debts of $30k since it was my job to be the 'provider' even during my depression and stuff.

Well, ok. I can do that.

life goes on.


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I agree with frank, SH..perhaps a brief period in the other section will help others and also get you going to better places. There are some that feel an obligation to hang around here and help others. Most, appropriately, close a door on the recent pain, and file it under "My Life History" and move on. Certainly, staying here for a prolonged period of time, IMO, keeps wounds open.

Dunno...personal choice.

I think you've made a right decision by letting go. Dr. Gray in his blue book says that the hope for reconciliation is a form of denial and that ANY broken R/M cannot reconcile without completely going to zero first.

Life is short...and there is no need to waste your time anymore. Let your XW enjoy Baskin and Robbins. Sooner or later...you run out of flavors.

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fib,

Thank you, my friend. I have let go finally. The strange thing is that I lasted much longer working to control both my XW and the final outcome of my efforts. Additionally, I did know that I would be done when I was done, akin to flipping off a light switch. It was that easy when I finally reached the point when I actually could let go, I was and am done. The only remaining part of my prophesy yet to be fulfilled is XW letting me know she's ready to begin working on reconciling our R/M. I've already told her in the beginning that that WILL happen and that if she waited til I was done, that it would be HIGHLY unlikely that I'd reconsider my decision to let go after all this time. I know that I WILL NOT entertain that thought, and I will be kind and thoughtful when she does come back hoping for another opportunity. I'm just done. She'll never change, and I have and I am changing. Putting me back together, and that's a full-time job for me and my children (and hopefully for TAP; we'll see...).

I will spend some time on the other board, telling about my being stuck in the muck a foot above my head and being completely unable to see any type of light. I'm much happier now, having unshackled myself from my own need to feel in control of 'something.' I feel much more love for my XW today, than I have since we split. That's probably because I've accepted the reality of what is and stopped trying to control what I have no hope to ever control. Working on controlling me now.

Thank you fib and frank_D. You both have been a huge help in getting my feet out of my own mental 'quik-crete' and helped me to start moving forward in my own healthy way. God bless.


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