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Posted By: kas99 The divorce that won't end - 12/20/21 07:41 PM
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Married 28 years, he told me he wanted a divorce Mar 2019, discovered the OW in Nov 2019 and I filed the next day. He ignored everything and we were NC so I had to hire a new attorney. I've had 10 court dates over 18 months and I'm still not divorced.

My pre-trial was Nov 3rd and her ruling was reasonable but he doesn't agree so now I wait. I'm out of cash, have a temporary support agreement and if he wants to stay married then we will stay married.

I am however fretting over how much it will cost when he does decide to finish this.
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 12/20/21 07:48 PM
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Hi Kass, if you are consistently nudging it forward at the usual court pace and you can accept what the judge proposed, I’d expect it to wrap up without much further ado from your side. If you both prefer what you have now, I’d expect it to remain unless/until one of you wants to remarry in 5-10yrs when being already married becomes an obstacle.

CW - I was afraid you'd say this. I'm 100% okay with what the judge proposed but he isn't so now I wait. This might be working for him but it's not for me. I get it isn't up to me unless I want to go into debt (I don't). The kids hate him and this isn't helping his case but oh well I guess he'd rather burn down the village than do the right thing. UGH
Posted By: Traveler Re: The divorce that won't end - 12/20/21 10:27 PM
Originally Posted by kas99
CW - I was afraid you'd say this. I'm 100% okay with what the judge proposed but he isn't so now I wait.

Originally Posted by kas99
This might be working for him but it's not for me.

It sounds like you expect asking for another court date will mean another postponement on his side and more wasted money on your side--how unfortunate. Sometimes motions to recoup costs are an option if the holds-ups appear to be on one side.

If the status quo isn't working for you, the burden's on you to make a change. If you don't feel asking the court for another date's going to help, the alternative is to offer your XH sweeter terms. That probably doesn't feel right or fair, but in the end it's economics. If it's going to cost you $X to drag this out, and offering 20% of $X gets him to sign.. smirk

The kids loving you and 2 out of 3 wanting to live with you is a huge win.
Posted By: BL42 Re: The divorce that won't end - 12/21/21 03:26 AM
It's hard for me to fathom how drawn out this is if you want it to happen. How often is it said on here "it takes 2 to marry but 1 to get divorced", and mine seemed to go through with reckless abandon even though I didn't want it.

If you had a pre-trail with the judge who essentially said how she would rule, what else can your husband do?

It seems so bizarre and has to be frustrating for you. Sorry :-/
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 12/21/21 03:09 PM
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It sounds like you expect asking for another court date

I can't afford to take him to court again and the part where he's drug this out for almost 3 years doesn't motivate me to give up anything. I'll wait him out. Thankfully for me he's impulsive. Yes I've had 10 court dates but he only has one card left to play and it's to settle. The judge isn't going to give him a trial just because he wants one and if he insists I will get a bigger settlement. She will also order him pay my legal fees. She's had it with him.
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 12/21/21 03:25 PM
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]It's hard for me to fathom how drawn out this is if you want it to happen. How often is it said on here "it takes 2 to marry but 1 to get divorced", and mine seemed to go through with reckless abandon even though I didn't want it.

It's mind blowing how one person can control the process. My stbxh moved out almost 3 years ago, has a girlfriend and everything. I've been trying to get divorced for 2 years which is ridiculous.

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If you had a pre-trail with the judge who essentially said how she would rule, what else can your husband do?

It seems so bizarre and has to be frustrating for you. Sorry :-/

He can refuse to settle. I can't make him sign only a judge can do that. He's already made the judge angry so it's not in his best interest to go to trial. I don't have the money to take him back to court so I have to wait him out. I'm feeling better today because I'm going to "drop the rope". If he wants to stay married we will stay married since I've got temporary orders.
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 12/21/21 03:51 PM
He might come through I'm just mentally preparing for the worst. It's been 5 weeks of radio silence (his norm) on a nothing divorce so I'm not all that optimistic. 10 court dates (most didn't happen but still) and still married. Wow.
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/28/22 05:32 PM
Well it happened I had to put my rent on a credit card. He usually pays me before the 31st but this time FEELS different. He won't finish the divorce but I do have a temporary support agreement. Obviously if he doesn't pay me by 5pm on Monday I'll call my attorney but I want to be strategic about this. He's supposed to pay me on the 15th and the 31st but he's always late.

I cut everything off and will live on rice but I'm thinking WHEN he's late in February I should suck it and call my attorney. I think he needs a reminder of who he's dealing with. Thoughts?
Posted By: BL42 Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/28/22 05:46 PM
If your STBXH is routinely breaking the terms of your agreement it makes sense to notify your attorney and take appropriate action.
Posted By: DnJ Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/28/22 06:35 PM
Hello K

Do not let lateness become the norm. If the monies are to be received by the 15th and 31st, then they should be. Hold H accountable. I’d allow one time, and contact H that one time. After that, let the L deal with it.

D
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/28/22 08:29 PM
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If your STBXH is routinely breaking the terms of your agreement it makes sense to notify your attorney and take appropriate action.

At lunch I had a breakthrough. He's actually shorted me 2 other times but I let it slide because it wasn't worth paying the legal fees. Having to put my rent on a credit card changes everything. I will gather everything and send it to my attorney.

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Do not let lateness become the norm. If the monies are to be received by the 15th and 31st, then they should be. Hold H accountable. I’d allow one time, and contact H that one time. After that, let the L deal with it.

I haven't spoken to him in 2.5 years so all communication is through attorneys. I've been letting him get away with it because I didn't want to pay my lawyer but now I have no choice. UGH
Posted By: BL42 Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/28/22 08:46 PM
kas99,
Originally Posted by kas99
He's actually shorted me 2 other times but I let it slide because it wasn't worth paying the legal fees.
[quote=kas99]I've been letting him get away with it because I didn't want to pay my lawyer but now I have no choice. UGH
Sometimes you have to stand up and be firm to correct the situation. If you keep letting things slide they'll snowball and become worse down the road.
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/31/22 09:24 PM
Well he did pay me and my attorney just called. I should be divorced soon.

He told me he wanted a divorce on March 29, 2019 so it took almost 3 years. I'm both sad and relieved. He's an unhappy person and I know I'm better off it's just hard you know?
Posted By: DnJ Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/31/22 10:52 PM
Hi kas

Yes, I know.

(((Hug)))

D
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/01/22 03:23 PM
Ah crap I got to thinking last night that all my attorney did was send a final offer. If he doesn't take it then we go to court. For the record the settlement is fair and I've already been before the judge. If he goes to court I will get more because he's pissed the judge off.

It isn't over yet but at least he's showing some interest.
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/01/22 03:32 PM
Originally Posted by DnJ
Hi kas

Yes, I know.

(((Hug)))

D

I'm whining. I got to thinking last night my only fear is that I'm going to end up alone. I'm not interested in doing this again and have zero interest in dating right now. I'll be 56 this year.
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/01/22 03:38 PM
And yes I realize this is everyone's fear (said after I peeked at a few other threads). I need to stop worrying because for me life has always worked out even if I hated the process. lol
Posted By: Traveler Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/01/22 03:43 PM
Hi Kas,

Fingers crossed that what you feel is fair and hope is the final offer is indeed so.

Originally Posted by kas99
I'm whining. I got to thinking last night my only fear is that I'm going to end up alone. I'm not interested in doing this again and have zero interest in dating right now. I'll be 56 this year.
What's scary about ending up without a Husband or BF? I assume in this imagined future you'd still have the love and support of your children and friends and all the meaningful things you've done in your life?
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/01/22 09:11 PM
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What's scary about ending up without a Husband or BF? I assume in this imagined future you'd still have the love and support of your children and friends and all the meaningful things you've done in your life?

I'm over the financial injustice but I'm not over the OW. He didn't have to date at all she just fell into his lap at work. He never had to be single, never had to be alone. Not for one single day. 3 years later and they are still together.

What's stupid is I like being single. After 30 years of living with a grouch this is like a breath of fresh air. It's like my brain is stuck though and I can't get past it. Does that make sense??
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/01/22 09:19 PM
Don't get me wrong sometimes I miss having a SO but then I imagine what it would be like and I'm like nope I'm good. But I'm sure once the kids move out I might feel differently.
Posted By: kml Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/01/22 11:32 PM
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I'm over the financial injustice but I'm not over the OW.

I often think, though, that if one won the lottery after the WAS left, how much better we might feel about it?

It's nice not having to walk on eggshells all the time after a WAS leaves - I realized I was better off without him too. But it's natural to want karma to bite them in the you know where. Usually it does eventually because, wherever he goes, there he is. He can't leave his problems behind if the problem is inside, as it usually is. But being stuck in this protracted divorce is keeping you from moving on as you would like, as it keeps your attention in the wrong place. I hope he signs soon.

Meanwhile, try as best as you can to keep your focus on YOUR future. Imagine the best and brightest future you can. Live your best life!
Posted By: DnJ Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/02/22 12:55 AM
Hello kas

Originally Posted by kas99
I got to thinking last night that all my attorney did was send a final offer. If he doesn't take it then we go to court.

You’ve provided a fair offer. The ball is now in STBXH’s court. No need to focus upon it for the time being.


Originally Posted by kas99
I'm whining. I got to thinking last night my only fear is that I'm going to end up alone. I'm not interested in doing this again and have zero interest in dating right now. I'll be 56 this year.

Originally Posted by kas99
And yes I realize this is everyone's fear (said after I peeked at a few other threads). I need to stop worrying because for me life has always worked out even if I hated the process. lol

Originally Posted by kas99
Don't get me wrong sometimes I miss having a SO but then I imagine what it would be like and I'm like nope I'm good. But I'm sure once the kids move out I might feel differently.

It’s ok. You’re allowed to whine.

Now, I’m pretty sure you know me and my striving to be, and see, accurate. Therefore, a few helpful suggestions.

I totally get being fearful of ending up alone. However, I think the fear is being lonely rather than alone. There is a difference. One can feel lonely while in a room full of people. And one can be content while being on their own and alone.

My hustle and bustle household of six is now just me. The four kids have all moved out and I live alone, aside from my two outside dogs. And I am not lonely.

Fear is a very real response to an imagined future. A future that is only a possibility. Fear is crafted and reinforced from the linking of our unwanted imagined future with certain triggers or events. Untying that link, dispels fear.

I’ve posted quite a bit on various strategies for uncoupling and letting go of fear. It is not as easy as just stop doing it. Fear lives mostly in our irrational realm. It exists completely outside of our logical and rational directly controllable self. A pure logic is devoid of emotion and thus knows not fear. That is different than fearless.

One of my favourite strategies is to rationalize our irrational coupling between future and event and outcome. Firstly, one has to acknowledge what fear is; that uncontrollable feeling of dread. To acknowledge its area of effect is within our irrational self. With that, we realize we can utilize our direct control of thoughts and actions to affect/craft/encourage/reinforce different links for those triggers or events. Like T said, you still have support of loving family and friends; pointing out a good positive future. And you are already re-linking when you imagine the good future without grouchy H.


Originally Posted by kas99
I'm over the financial injustice but I'm not over the OW. He didn't have to date at all she just fell into his lap at work. He never had to be single, never had to be alone. Not for one single day. 3 years later and they are still together.

What's stupid is I like being single. After 30 years of living with a grouch this is like a breath of fresh air. It's like my brain is stuck though and I can't get past it. Does that make sense??

Very nice to see you acknowledge and know what’s bothering you. And yes, feeling like your brain is stuck, does make sense.

Stuck and can’t get past it. (I’m going to point out some inaccuracies. Then you can see clearly and move forward easier.)

Let’s start with “can’t”. Can’t get past it. Nope. It’s, “won’t”. I’m stuck and won’t get passed it.

Your mind is always listening. What you say matters. Your mind crafts your reality, and it will make what you say - real. If you say can’t, your mind will ensure it remains impossible. And very few things are truly impossible. (Me becoming pregnant is an example. smile )

This speaking accurately really matter for that internal voice we all have. That story we tell inside ourself. If you think/say can’t, you’ll end up believing it.

“Won’t” is awesome. That very word and idea allows for change. “Won’t” puts you in control, its not left to fate or the situation or H or some other out of reach thing. You control you.

“I won’t” can become “I can” which becomes “I will” and eventually “I do” and “I did”.

It is also interesting your usage of being stuck.

Grief takes time to traverse. It is pretty clear you have angry feelings. And as you say, somewhat stuck. My opinion is two fold, the aforementioned believing in “can’t”. The second is your unrealized reason for your anger.

You state you are over the financial injustice but not over OW. And then vent about H’s luck and his charmed life of the last three years, and nothing about OW.

kas, you are over OW (from what’s written and for the purposes of this post). It’s H’s seemingly good fortune; his never having to date, never having to be single, never having to be alone; with which you are stuck. Not OW.

One needs to see clearly to find their way.

Seeing and feeling our emotions towards the real and intended target is needed. Then one can feel and let go.

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I'm over the financial injustice but I'm not over the OW yet still upset over H’s seemingly good fortune. He didn't have to date at all she just fell into his lap at work. He never had to be single, never had to be alone. Not for one single day. 3 years later and they are still together.

Knowing what you are upset with gives you something that you can work on to make things better for you.

Notice all the “you” in the previous statement? There were four of them. Try say it while emphasizing each.

Grief is us finding acceptance which is emotional understanding. Grief is a process of one’s self. It’s about you.

You are striving to accept H’s good fortune. Let go. It matters not. Accept it.


Lastly for this post:

Originally Posted by kas99
What's stupid is I like being single.

Not stupid at all. Your mind is listening.

There is nothing wrong with being single. In fact, remaining single is a very wise choice while embroiled within a divorce, and for a good year post signed legal finalized divorce. Much will settle after the divorce fades and the shenanigans of H are mere memories.

I am glad you like being single. And I know you don’t mean it’s stupid, but your mind doesn’t know that. Now that’s something to get your mind wrapped around. Lol.

Have a great night.

D
Posted By: devvo Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/02/22 01:45 AM
Originally Posted by kas99
I'm over the financial injustice but I'm not over the OW. He didn't have to date at all she just fell into his lap at work. He never had to be single, never had to be alone. Not for one single day. 3 years later and they are still together.

What's stupid is I like being single. After 30 years of living with a grouch this is like a breath of fresh air. It's like my brain is stuck though and I can't get past it. Does that make sense??

It does to me! I think it's to do with this belief we have in Karma, consequences, whatever else we like to call it and our cognitive dissonance when it doesn't happen.

What I find interesting is, were you to grievously injure a person - even unintentionally, the civil courts expect you to pay heed to the damage you've done. Sums of money are paid to claimants to compensate for loss and suffering. The only exception in civil law here is divorce. There is no legal remedy for the loss and suffering inflicted like other civil cases involving damages. There isn't even an expectation on the WAS to apologise for any suffering they cause.

Marriages are a contract, but to be honest I'm not sure why we bother with them. If one of the partners in normal contractual arrangement breaks any part of a normal business agreement, they are usually held to account and made to pay in one way or another. This doesn't seem to apply to marriage contracts. I believe this is a consequence of no-fault divorces - which I am beginning to think aren't as marvellous as they first seemed.

I think that's why a lot of us resent the WAS (and APs) sometimes - particularly when it looks like they got away with detonating our lives (and those of our children) without a single shred of accountability.
Posted By: AndrewP Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/02/22 02:55 PM
Originally Posted by kas99
I'm over the financial injustice but I'm not over the OW. He didn't have to date at all she just fell into his lap at work. He never had to be single, never had to be alone. Not for one single day. 3 years later and they are still together.

What's stupid is I like being single. After 30 years of living with a grouch this is like a breath of fresh air. It's like my brain is stuck though and I can't get past it. Does that make sense??
One thing I said shortly after my divorce was "you never know you are living under a cloud until you walk in the sunshine". I spent 26 years walking on eggshells around my xW believing that I had a decent marriage. I'm 2 years older than you with the kids all thoroughly moved out and have also learned to really appreciate not having to worry about dealing with anyone else. But also miss having someone around to care for.

I had a lot of resentment at the beginning as well that my xW had OM from the beginning and never had to be alone. That changed though to a bit of karma thinking knowing that he would have to deal with her moods and anger at the world. They've stuck it out though - so good for them.

One thing that occurs to me and is based on my very minimal dating experience is that people often expect their new partner to be a replacement for their old one. And also, without the time on their own to learn and grow, I expect that they will stay that same person. Sure, there may be a bit of shine put on the turd for a while, but underneath it's all still the same. Or at least so I believe.

I think the phrase is "no matter where you go - there you are".

Originally Posted by devvo
Marriages are a contract, but to be honest I'm not sure why we bother with them. If one of the partners in normal contractual arrangement breaks any part of a normal business agreement, they are usually held to account and made to pay in one way or another. This doesn't seem to apply to marriage contracts. I believe this is a consequence of no-fault divorces - which I am beginning to think aren't as marvellous as they first seemed.
Even though I ended up with the short end of the stick financially (from some points of view) in my divorce, I still think that no-fault divorces are a good idea. It reduces the drama and angst I am sure.

Looking at it from a contract law point of view (not a lawyer but have had to read a fair number of contracts), one thing that jumped out at me on my settlement agreement is how each clause is severable from the entire agreement. In most contracts this is not the case. Breach one clause and the whole contract is null and void. Not so - at least here - with separation agreements. Interesting that a marriage is a legal contract as well but the number of clauses are much fewer (cherish and be faithful) but that breach of the fidelity and cherish clauses are considered enough on their own to nullify the whole agreement - again - at least here. You can apply for a divorce here with no waiting period if you chose abuse or infidelity as the cause.

It's also interesting to me from a legal point of view how the separation agreement technically has nothing to do with the divorce. The courts expect you to have one but it's not actually a legal requirement to be divorced - at least here. So if I were to breach a clause in my separation agreement I'm not required to take my xW back crazy
Posted By: Dawn70 Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/02/22 03:38 PM
Hang in there, kas. I promise, it does get better. Some day, on your own timeline, you will wake up one day and you will be in this place where you feel light and happy and it will be fantastic. I know it doesn't seem that way now and feelings of depression, winding up alone, money struggles all weigh on your mind. My positive thoughts are headed your way. Take care of yourself and your kids and focus on your future.
Posted By: Dawn70 Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/02/22 04:07 PM
I just saw a picture quote that I wish I could post here as it might strike a cord with you, but the gist of it was that growth and change are painful, but staying stuck in a bad situation is also painful so you have to choose which pain is best for you. (I paraphrased it, but that is the overall meaning.) I know it is hard, but just like I said before, it will be so much better once you are out on the other side. (((kas)))
Posted By: DejaVu6 Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/02/22 08:22 PM
I can totally relate Kas. It is difficult, at times, to watch your WAS seemingly experience no consequences for the pain they caused. In my case, it is going on four years and they are married now. Like your H, he did not spend one minute alone. He’s never had to sit with himself and reflect on the pain he caused and all of the ways he failed me and our children. She’s always been right there to reinforce his version of our life together (exaggerated and devoid of any personal responsibility for sure) and agree with all of his justifications for all the thousands of the lies and the gaslighting he did. Maybe his devotion to her is his way of trying to make up for his behaviour or maybe he is trying to convince other people he has changed. He says he has learned from his experiences and is trying to be a better person. I really don’t know what it is that he has learned and I’m not sure he could even say what it is if I asked him. In terms of him being a better person, I am skeptical. He is in the honeymoon phase right now which has been intensified due to her illness and him feeling like her hero. I think that is a very powerful feeling for someone who has failed everybody else in his life. Anyway…I don’t wish him ill will. I choose to concentrate on my own karma. He can worry about his.

Re: your H. Given what you have said about how he was in your marriage, would your really prefer that to being alone? Could you even imagine getting back together with him? If your answer is no, than that is all that really matters. Like Dawn said… it will get better with time. If you continue working on yourself, you will be amazed how quickly things can turn around and how different you will feel a year from now. (((HUGS)))
Posted By: bttrfly Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/02/22 09:00 PM
wow hand raised for another member of this club, along with DV ... nope - not a moment alone, not a moment of reflection, has certainly burned my sweet Italian @$$ on more than one occasion for sure ...
Posted By: BL42 Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/03/22 06:15 PM
kas99,
Originally Posted by kas99
Ah crap I got to thinking last night that all my attorney did was send a final offer. If he doesn't take it then we go to court. For the record the settlement is fair and I've already been before the judge. If he goes to court I will get more because he's pissed the judge off.

It isn't over yet but at least he's showing some interest.
Sounds closer at least. Still crazy to me he left and is living w/OW but fighting tooth & nail not to finalize the D.

Originally Posted by kas99
I'm over the financial injustice but I'm not over the OW. He didn't have to date at all she just fell into his lap at work. He never had to be single, never had to be alone. Not for one single day. 3 years later and they are still together.
I totally get this. Doesn't seem right the person who broke vows and blew up our lives just has another person fall into their lap and doesn't have to go through the trials and tribulations of finding someone else.

Originally Posted by kml
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I'm over the financial injustice but I'm not over the OW.

I often think, though, that if one won the lottery after the WAS left, how much better we might feel about it?
Can't imagine a lottery windfall would hurt! LOL

Originally Posted by devvo
It does to me! I think it's to do with this belief we have in Karma, consequences, whatever else we like to call it and our cognitive dissonance when it doesn't happen.

What I find interesting is, were you to grievously injure a person - even unintentionally, the civil courts expect you to pay heed to the damage you've done. Sums of money are paid to claimants to compensate for loss and suffering. The only exception in civil law here is divorce. There is no legal remedy for the loss and suffering inflicted like other civil cases involving damages. There isn't even an expectation on the WAS to apologise for any suffering they cause.

Marriages are a contract, but to be honest I'm not sure why we bother with them. If one of the partners in normal contractual arrangement breaks any part of a normal business agreement, they are usually held to account and made to pay in one way or another. This doesn't seem to apply to marriage contracts. I believe this is a consequence of no-fault divorces - which I am beginning to think aren't as marvellous as they first seemed.

I think that's why a lot of us resent the WAS (and APs) sometimes - particularly when it looks like they got away with detonating our lives (and those of our children) without a single shred of accountability.
Completely agree devvo! On the no-fault, I think the intentions are pure in that there were some people in legitimately bad situations not able to get one, but in the majority of cases these days it seems to just give the bad actor the easy/beneficial result. I suppose I'm biased at this point, but certainly seems there should be some civil consequences for the WAS/WS of the breaking the contract with the LBS.

Originally Posted by DejaVu6
I can totally relate Kas. It is difficult, at times, to watch your WAS seemingly experience no consequences for the pain they caused. In my case, it is going on four years and they are married now. Like your H, he did not spend one minute alone. He’s never had to sit with himself and reflect on the pain he caused and all of the ways he failed me and our children.
Like with devvo, also completely agree with DejaVu6. WAS/WS stepping right into a LTR seems to be a topic which resonates with a lot of folks here.

Hand in there KAS...hope you can soon get some relief and closure the D will bring.
Posted By: Traveler Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/03/22 07:18 PM
Originally Posted by BL42
Sounds closer at least. Still crazy to me he left and is living w/OW but fighting tooth & nail not to finalize the D.
I'm more surprised by the opposite, when the WAS chooses to finalize. Re-marrying tends to be a key motivator! The obvious question for the WAS is "Why bother?". I have two friends who are WAS (to lousy ex's) and have no plans to finalize their divorces, because their attorneys say the temporary settlement is better than the long-term settlement. If their ex's value the closure of that piece of paper, they'll have to sweeten the long-term settlement, or wait a few more years.
Posted By: DnJ Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/03/22 11:18 PM
Originally Posted by Traveler
The obvious question for the WAS is "Why bother?". I have two friends who are WAS (to lousy ex's) and have no plans to finalize their divorces, because their attorneys say the temporary settlement is better than the long-term settlement. If their ex's value the closure of that piece of paper, they'll have to sweeten the long-term settlement, or wait a few more years.

WTF?

Ok, yes, technically legal. And yes some people do this. However, morally? What type of person purposefully causes more pain and anguish just because they can.

T, do you try to hit a nerve? Most folks around here are the unwilling recipient of such WAS behaviour. The walk away spouse did just that - walked away. Walked away from their marriage and from their vows. They didn’t work on the marriage, and they won’t end it amicable. And their ex is the lousy person? Pretty sure their (ex)spouse would say different, and so do the actions of these WAS’s.

Friends? No way man! They’d not be with me. Oh, if you pay more maybe I’ll sign, otherwise wait a few more years. What a messed up person. Karma will strike! One cannot go around dealing out such behaviour without comeuppance. My goodness what a world view and value system they’d create and/or have. To knowingly hold another person’s closure hostage. A person who they promised to cherish and such, you know - for better or worse. Yep, keep telling themselves who is lousy and who deserves such treatment. What a narrative they spin. Actions speak louder.

Like I said, legally acceptable. And I’m sure their lawyers are correct that this temporary situation is more lucrative. Man oh man, no way my friends would do that. Because they’d not be friends anymore. My friends reflect my values too. Respect, trust, honour, responsibility, accountability, sincerity, and such.

D
Posted By: kml Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/03/22 11:31 PM
Whoa D, hold your horses. She may not be using the term "WAS" the way we do here. If those people left spouses who were abusive, had gambling or drinking problems or were cheaters, they could be perfectly justified in trying to maintain the best financial position for themselves (and possibly their children).
Posted By: DnJ Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/03/22 11:55 PM
Traveller is a guy. The WAS’s are his friends.

kas was talking about her H, the pending divorce, and the associated fears. She wasn’t speaking about WAS’s. And this justification talk is not what I understand her situation to be. Her H could be construed to be a WAS, she is not. And she certainly is not holding up the process.
Posted By: kml Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/04/22 12:24 AM
Ok, then TRaveller still may have been talking about women who left abusive or alcoholic spouses. This is really different from most of the WASs here.

And the truth is that there are three reasons why WASs don't get the divorce done. One is they're just too busy in lalaland and can't be bothered to do the grunt work (hoping for the zipless divorce). Another reason is that it financially benefits them not to get divorced. The third is that by staying married, they have an excuse as to why they can't marry the affair partner.
Posted By: Traveler Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/04/22 12:29 AM
Originally Posted by DnJ
k, yes, technically legal. And yes some people do this. However, morally? What type of person purposefully causes more pain and anguish just because they can.
The type who prioritizes themselves and their children over an ex. At least for me and my friends, causing our ex's anguish wasn't the motivator. It took years for me to be close enough to my ex to realize how much a lack of closure bothered her, and to be close enough to prioritize soothing her feelings when finalizing cost money and did nothing for me.

Originally Posted by DnJ
T, do you try to hit a nerve?
I share where "normal" WAS come from when it seems LBS are shocked or confused by their behavior. By "normal" I mean the other side of a broken relationship. MLCrs and serial cheaters are truly aliens to me. I should've added a "WAS Perspective" trigger warning. No, I did not intend to strike a nerve with you. Peace, DnJ.

Originally Posted by DnJ
And their ex is the lousy person? Pretty sure their (ex)spouse would say different,
Sure. Villainizing an ex is common, whether you're a WAS or LBS.

Originally Posted by DnJ
Friends? No way man! They’d not be with me. Oh, if you pay more maybe I’ll sign, otherwise wait a few more years. What a messed up person. Karma will strike!
DnJ, I get that comes from a place of pain. My friend awoke one day to an FBI raid and discovered her H was a dangerous felon. Choice #1 was to stay, leave with 50/50 custody, or leave with 100% custody--she took 100% custody. Choice #2 was to prioritize his feelings by finalizing the divorce, or prioritize her daughter's feelings by keeping the family home--she chose her daughter. Karma did strike in a way--her church took up a collection to pay her legal fees and keep it in limbo. I get he sees her as an evil lady who keeps her from his daughter and won't divide the house so he could buy another.

Originally Posted by DnJ
My friends reflect my values too. Respect, trust, honour, responsibility, accountability, sincerity, and such.
This friend reflects my values. I'm glad your friends reflect yours.
Posted By: bttrfly Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/04/22 01:10 AM
Originally Posted by Traveler
Originally Posted by DnJ
k, yes, technically legal. And yes some people do this. However, morally? What type of person purposefully causes more pain and anguish just because they can.
The type who prioritizes themselves and their children over an ex. At least for me and my friends, causing our ex's anguish wasn't the motivator. It took years for me to be close enough to my ex to realize how much a lack of closure bothered her, and to be close enough to prioritize soothing her feelings when finalizing cost money and did nothing for me.
And then there's the person who says to their spouse that it is perfectly ok to take care of themselves and cause as much damage as possible in the process, and oh well, the kid is just collateral damage.

Is there such a thing as a normal WAS? I think not. It's my opinion, feel free to disagree, but that is what I've observed in others and lived through myself.

I am entitled to my own $.02

KAS, hang in there, a moment at a time if necessary, on the bad days. You will get through this, I promise.

This is a divorce busting forum. Most of us came here to find a way to save our marriages, not walk away from them in a "normal" fashion, whatever that means.

And as for the WAS trigger warning perhaps it would be wiser to know your audience a bit more.
Posted By: LH19 Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/04/22 01:39 AM
T gets in a lot of trouble around here being a WAS himself.
Posted By: Traveler Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/04/22 02:10 AM
@Butterfly, I’m aware the notion many WAS are not aliens can be controversial here. I also know why I and my friends behaved a certain way. My $0.02.

Back to kas, I hope this saga ends for you soon.
Posted By: BL42 Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/04/22 04:16 AM
Originally Posted by DnJ
Originally Posted by Traveler
The obvious question for the WAS is "Why bother?". I have two friends who are WAS (to lousy ex's) and have no plans to finalize their divorces, because their attorneys say the temporary settlement is better than the long-term settlement. If their ex's value the closure of that piece of paper, they'll have to sweeten the long-term settlement, or wait a few more years.

WTF?
I gotta say I had the same reaction as DnJ. Traveler's comment really came across poorly. The FBI raid a secretly felon spouse is a bit of an extreme outlier, no? There context here is kml's thread whose H has been living with OW for three years and is actively fighting not to divorce her. Using time and the LBS's need for closure as leverage for a bigger financial win is just another example of selfishness...along with breaking their vows and living with his affair partner.
Posted By: BL42 Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/04/22 04:20 AM
Sorry, meant to type "The context here is kas99's thread"
Posted By: bttrfly Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/04/22 11:32 AM
Originally Posted by Traveler
@Butterfly, I’m aware the notion many WAS are not aliens can be controversial here. I also know why I and my friends behaved a certain way. My $0.02.

Back to kas, I hope this saga ends for you soon.
I would like to point something out that should be obvious to all here, but has perhaps been overlooked or forgotten: the people who put this board together many years ago had the foresight to understand that there are two sides to every story, and that there ought to be a forum for the WAS to get support. They also had the foresight to realize that the WAS forum needs to be separate from the forums which support the LBS. This allows a place for each side to air their views, concerns, etc, while ensuring that people who are suffering and going through their own private version of h#ll are given the support they need without being triggered.

I respectfully suggest that you, Traveler, specifically, and anyone else who wants to espouse the views and justifications of the WAS do so on the WAS forum, where there is a higher likelihood of getting validation for leaving a marriage. I'm being very specific Traveler because you trip that line far more than any other poster I've read. It's not appropriate and frankly is harmful to others seeking help from damage caused by their WAS. If you want to talk about why you left your marriage and why your friends all let theirs, please do so on the forum designed to support your views on the subject.

https://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=78&page=1

If. you want to discuss issues you face post D, this particular forum is appropriate.

KAS, apologies for the hijack.
Posted By: kml Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/04/22 12:00 PM
Jeez everybody - there ARE people who leave their marriages for legitimate reasons. That’s not the typical WASs most of us are dealing with here, but they do exist out in the wider world. I don’t see why this triggered people so much - there have been several LBSs here who decided that their temp support was a better deal than their divorce would be, and that they should sit with that - how is that different for the wife of the guy who raided by the feds? And D, we love you, but you yourself have admitted that you let your (likely mentally ill or addicted) exW take a terribly unfair deal in the divorce, how is that more moral?

Seems like it’s been “jump on Traveller” week when I respect that he’s been very open about his trauma and his struggles. How about we lighten up and give everyone the benefit of the doubt?
Posted By: LH19 Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/04/22 12:25 PM
Well K you need to understand your audience. It’s like going to an AA forum and asking people to go out for drinks. The interesting thing about T is that when you read his posts he talks about wanting someone that will stick by him no matter what and he doesn’t see the karma that he’s getting back from his situation.

But to your point yes there are reasons to leave a marriage.
Posted By: Traveler Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/04/22 03:55 PM
Originally Posted by LH19
The interesting thing about T is that when you read his posts he talks about wanting someone that will stick by him no matter what and he doesn’t see the karma that he’s getting back from his situation.
I get you want spouses who leave broken relationships to face "karma", and it's a challenge for you that 11yrs later I have no regrets. My ex was abusive. That's not the "'Til Death Do Us Part" I was or am looking for. wink

If the relationship was bad or abusive--kas has talked repeatedly about how she feels her XH vilified her to her children--the future can be much brighter on the other side. Especially if we work through our anger towards them, especially if we risk being vulnerable again, especially if we learn to select better partners. It's a journey.
Posted By: DnJ Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/04/22 08:23 PM
Originally Posted by kml
And D, we love you, but you yourself have admitted that you let your (likely mentally ill or addicted) exW take a terribly unfair deal in the divorce, how is that more moral?

I let her? Really? Two financial planners and her lawyer could not stop her. She crafted the terms. I specifically told her to gut me like a fish. She was entitled to half of everything. My goodness she signed so many waivers.

As for moral, I didn’t stand in her way. I didn’t twist anything. I presented the financial information clearly. My pension clearly. Her half clearly. I certainly did not block her way or go against her wishes and purposefully prolonged things. She set the pace.

Mostly, my finesse of negotiating was to just STFU. She had half of everything. She threw it and her kids away. I caught them.

In my locale there is a mandatory one year cooldown / waiting period after separation before one can file for divorce. XW filed. Not me. It was a complete surprise to me. She demanded the already imposed terms. She again demanded herself no custody of the kids and no responsibility. She paid the legal fees. With the cooldown time passed, everything went before a judge. All without needing my signature. I was basically served a divorce notice. The divorce was ruled and passed six months later.

I didn’t let her. And I legally could not stop her. You remember how she demanded to have adultery charges filed against herself? That, is one thing I purposefully had removed from the agreement. I didn’t tell her. And she wasn’t happy when that tidbit came to light.

I inquired if I could contest my divorce. An odd inquiry for sure given the splitting of assets. I could not. Here, it is no fault divorce. One cannot contest or stop the process. Especially when they have nothing to do work with. It’s not like I would demand I don’t want the kids, make them wards of the state.

The divorce itself is unstoppable and incontestable. Soon to be ex couples can only squabble over things - money and kids. The uncoupling / divorce is not something either let’s happen. It only takes one to pay for it. Society is frighteningly efficient at progressing the legalities of ending relationships.

The immoral I was speaking of, is knowingly willfully purposefully delaying to place a financial squeeze upon a spouse to get more than a fair share. If the WAS is leaving an abusive R, and they have a fair deal, sticking around is only dragging themselves down. Abusing the abuser might feel good, yet it isn’t moral.

The ends do not justify the means.

The few steps I had in my divorce process, I took with my values intact. One doesn’t achieve a true positive outcome if they take shady steps along the way.

I truly do not wish nor hold out for karma upon anyone. Fate, God, the universe, will do what it will. I respect people’s right to choose. My XW, and OM, I respect their choice and free will. I can illustrate my perceived shortcomings regarding certain choices. Yet, in the end, each person has to live with themselves. We all colour our soul with the choices we make; with what we stand for, and with what we remain silent upon.

My life is gentle and peaceful. When I listen I can hear the divine. It matters not if others do not believe me, or in me. For God does.

D
Posted By: kml Re: The divorce that won't end - 02/05/22 01:31 AM
Usually a woman leaving an abuser with kids is not getting a fair deal even when she gets a legally “fair” deal. And Ginger is not getting a fair deal with only $88 a week in child support from her ex while she has her almost all the time and bears the lions share of emotional and financial costs. Even my very fair deal is not fair now that my cheap ex has declined to contribute to any of the needs our adult children have needed help with, including our Aspergers son and my middle son who has Ehlers Danlos syndrome and other serious medical problems. In fact he’s largely abdicated parenting altogether, leaving it all on my shoulders while he pretends he’s thirty with his child bride. Must be nice to walk away from all your family responsibilities.

Generally, the statistics show that women suffer, on average, far worse financially than men after divorce. A recent study on gray divorce (after 50) which you can find in pubmed shows:
“ Results: Women experienced a 45% decline in their standard of living (measured by an income-to-needs ratio), whereas men's dropped by just 21%. These declines persisted over time for men, and only reversed for women following repartnering, which essentially offset women's losses associated with gray divorce. ”.

The study goes on to say that few women go on to live with a partner after divorce in this age group.

So let’s not be too quick to judge.
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/03/22 01:52 AM
I’m DIVORCED!!!!!

Having my first drink in 3 years, got matching tattoos with D19 and I got a cake. I’ll catch up on this thread tomorrow.

Thank you to everyone here for supporting me. Woo!! Hoo!!
Posted By: Traveler Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/03/22 01:58 AM
Congratulations, kas99! That's fantastic news. Celebrate and enjoy. (:
Posted By: BL42 Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/03/22 02:38 AM
kas99,

I'm not one to celebrate divorce, but also know your now ExH has taken ridiculous actions to fight you on it...despite living with OW for several years. Enjoy the peace of mind finally closing out the the process and putting it behind you will bring.
Posted By: kml Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/03/22 02:26 PM
Hooray! I never understood why people would celebrate a divorce, until my fairly simple and not too contentious divorce took two years. I was just so glad to be done with all the paperwork and move on!!! I wanted to throw a party and drink margaritas!
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/03/22 05:37 PM
Originally Posted by kml
Hooray! I never understood why people would celebrate a divorce, until my fairly simple and not too contentious divorce took two years. I was just so glad to be done with all the paperwork and move on!!! I wanted to throw a party and drink margaritas!

Thank you. Had you told me 3 years ago that I'd one day celebrate this I would have said absolutely no way. I get it now.
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/03/22 05:44 PM
Originally Posted by BL42
kas99,

I'm not one to celebrate divorce, but also know your now ExH has taken ridiculous actions to fight you on it...despite living with OW for several years. Enjoy the peace of mind finally closing out the the process and putting it behind you will bring.

I posted this last night and then worried that I'd offend someone. 3 years ago I was devastated, broken, shattered and wanted to die.

3 years, 11 court dates and $15k in legal fees later I was so tired. I feel like I've been through the wringer. I limped across the finish line battered and bruised but I made it so yes I wanted to celebrate surviving.
Posted By: kml Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/03/22 05:49 PM
On to a bright future!!!
Posted By: BL42 Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/03/22 09:01 PM
kas99,
Originally Posted by kas99
I posted this last night and then worried that I'd offend someone. 3 years ago I was devastated, broken, shattered and wanted to die.
Don't worry about offending me - just meant I understand it in your case. It was incredible to me how he was living with OW for years yet at the same time fighting you tooth and tail against a D.

Originally Posted by kas99
3 years, 11 court dates and $15k in legal fees later I was so tired. I feel like I've been through the wringer. I limped across the finish line battered and bruised but I made it so yes I wanted to celebrate surviving.
ExH (notice what I stressed) certainly put you through the ringer. Hope this milestone helps bring you some peace of mind and closure.
Posted By: bttrfly Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/03/22 11:02 PM
Congratulations on an end to this madness and a bright future xoxoxo
Posted By: Dawn70 Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/04/22 03:46 PM
Congratulations, kas! I don't blame you one bit for celebrating, considering the battle you faced. Best wishes for a bright, happy, peaceful future.
Posted By: job Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/05/22 01:46 PM
Congratulations! It has been a long and stressful ordeal for you and your family.
Posted By: DejaVu6 Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/08/22 05:49 PM
Congratulations KAS!!! So glad this chapter of your story is closed now. Onwards and upwards!!!
Posted By: BL42 Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/08/22 09:43 PM
kas99,

Now that the divorce sage is complete, what are your plans?
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/09/22 05:13 PM
Originally Posted by BL42
kas99,

Now that the divorce sage is complete, what are your plans?

I still need to read this whole thread but you know I'm too busy celebrating. lol My divorce was finalized yesterday and I cannot wait to get rid of his name.

The first thing I'm doing is working on my appearance. I lost a lot of weight and have been wearing oversized clothes for years. I threw away most of my clothes when he left to avoid triggers and because I still thought I was fat I went out and thrifted clothes that were too big. I already did my hair for court but let it fade out to save money. I've made an appointment to get that redone.

I need jewelry, coats, shoes, everything. I look way way better now than when he left and I'm ready to rock it. I had a drs appointment last week and she commented about how much healthier I am now. I've maintained my weight for 6 months without dieting, stress eating, I don't even own a scale. My heart is above average now in health and I rarely get off the couch. lol I had NO idea how sick he was making me until he was gone.

I'm headed today to meet with an animal shelter about fostering kittens. I did it for a while but quit when court dates started piling up and I got depressed. I bought a sewing machine 2 years ago but again depressed. I'm motivated to do that and I want to exercise now.

Part of me wants to go out on a casual date for funnsies and to eliminate this lack mentality but I'm tabling that idea for now. I have no doubt that I could find someone better than my exH. If they treat me like a human then that's better than I've had for 30 years. lol

Well this turned into a book but I'm just so happy!!! I got to get my own car insurance today and thought that was FUN. lol

TLDR: I want to work on my appearance, pick up a few hobbies and live each day to the fullest.
Posted By: DejaVu6 Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/09/22 06:02 PM
Sounds like you’ve made some great changes already and have some awesome plans Kas!!! So excited for you and your new lease on life!! Carpe Diem my friend!!! (((HUGS)))
Posted By: kml Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/09/22 06:40 PM
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I bought a sewing machine 2 years ago but again depressed

I used to make most of my clothes when I was a teen. The only thing I've sewn in years was masks at the start of the pandemic, but one of my future goals is to sew some new clothes for me. So much of what is available now is poor quality, I could make some simple but classic things like bias cut skirts that would look good and last forever.

Congrats on the weight loss and going for a new look!
Posted By: Dawn70 Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/09/22 06:43 PM
Originally Posted by kas99
TLDR: I want to work on my appearance, pick up a few hobbies and live each day to the fullest.

I read the whole post, but this is the golden nugget that popped out. Yay for you, kas....YAY for YOU!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: BL42 Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/09/22 07:12 PM
kas99,

Fantastic response. Sounds like you have a plan and your enthusiasm comes through loud and clear.

Good luck w/the new wardrobe, hair, kittens, sewing, exercise, and dating! ...not to mention your very own car insurance LOL

You have a great life in front of you!
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/09/22 10:00 PM
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I used to make most of my clothes when I was a teen. The only thing I've sewn in years was masks at the start of the pandemic, but one of my future goals is to sew some new clothes for me. So much of what is available now is poor quality, I could make some simple but classic things like bias cut skirts that would look good and last forever.

What I'm doing is altering thrifted clothes. I buy high quality brands and then tailor them to fit me. If the neckline is good on a shirt then all I have to do is take in the sides and/or hem them. Dress pants at thrift stores tend to be dated so I turn wide leg pants into straight.

My goal is to be able to take some hideous 80's dress and turn it into a skirt or something. lol
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/09/22 10:08 PM
Originally Posted by Dawn70
Originally Posted by kas99
TLDR: I want to work on my appearance, pick up a few hobbies and live each day to the fullest.

I read the whole post, but this is the golden nugget that popped out. Yay for you, kas....YAY for YOU!!!!!!!!!

lol I read "what are your plans" and my first thought was well tonight I'm making red lobster biscuits....oh wait you meant the rest of my life? I have no idea all I have is today.

I'm going shopping after work (it is senior day at the thrift store), I picked up my new foster babies today and went to lunch with D19. Appearance, hobby and fun.
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/09/22 10:12 PM
Originally Posted by BL42
kas99,

Fantastic response. Sounds like you have a plan and your enthusiasm comes through loud and clear.

Good luck w/the new wardrobe, hair, kittens, sewing, exercise, and dating! ...not to mention your very own car insurance LOL

You have a great life in front of you!

I got my new fosters today. A mama cat and 5 kittens. It's impossible for me to feel anything but pure bliss with kittens.

I handled all the finances for 28 years but he spent money faster than I could juggle it so it was stressful. Today I paid 6 months in advance with CASH and I'm poor. lol
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/09/22 10:21 PM
Originally Posted by DejaVu6
Sounds like you’ve made some great changes already and have some awesome plans Kas!!! So excited for you and your new lease on life!! Carpe Diem my friend!!! (((HUGS)))

I joined this site around June 2019 and had anyone told me I'd be this happy, healthy in 3 years I would have thought you were lying to me. Don't me wrong I still get triggered, a mind movie will pop in and pain hits but it doesn't last long.

I spend a lot of time alone just watching a great show, reading a book, doing some housework, a whole lot of nothing really but I'm smiling because I like who I am now. Life is pretty good.
Posted By: kml Re: The divorce that won't end - 03/10/22 01:12 AM
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I handled all the finances for 28 years but he spent money faster than I could juggle it so it was stressful. Today I paid 6 months in advance with CASH and I'm poor. lol

My ex didn't spend faster than I could juggle it, but he did spend somewhat impulsively and I did have to juggle and budget to make it all work. A few years after the divorce, one of my sons figured out what I make and what H makes ( he makes twice as much) and was perplexed as to how I could help them all out when things got tight but my ex cried poor. I'm doing just fine. And so are you, it sounds like.

Have fun with the kittens. So so sweet.
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/12/23 03:47 AM
Well my divorce was finalized on March 10, 2022 and then he brought his girlfriend out into the open. She was born the year we got married (32 now so she was 28 when he left me). She’s a tiny redhead and has a now 11 year old son that calls my ex “dad”. She and her son moved in with my ex in august. My now 17 year old daughter then moved in with me. Her bedroom is in my living room but she’s doing better here. All 3 kids live with me.

My ex overnight wanted to do a happy blended family but the kids don’t like his girlfriend. She’s one of those bubbly, pushy types and she’s trying to be my kids mom. My ex is being a super dad and for that I’m actually grateful. He bought both girls cars and gives them money.

She quit her job and is now a homemaker. I’m doing okay considering but it was hard seeing he went younger. She’s a lot like the old me so he got a do over.

He’s still drinking a lot and is never home (she got my old life lol). He’s still working 2 jobs and has started selling his plasma. It’s killing him that the kids won’t go over there much anymore. The girlfriend took over the house and is always there.

There is good in my life in that I’m stronger now. I’m no longer a doormat people pleaser which is awesome. I love my job and we moved into a brand new building where I have a beautiful view of woods. There is a lot of deer which is cool.

Well that’s it. I’m still healing but I’ve come a long way.
Posted By: bttrfly Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/12/23 09:04 AM
thanks for the update K, so good to hear from you!

xoxoxo
Posted By: job Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/12/23 07:46 PM
I am so glad you returned to provide an update. I am glad all of your children are now living with you.

Your life will be so much better now that the divorce is over and done with.

Wishing you a far better year! Stay in touch.
Posted By: kml Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/13/23 01:26 AM
Remember - living well is the best revenge!
Posted By: DonH Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/13/23 04:21 AM
Glad you’re back and provided an update. I don’t want to provide comment that discourages more from you but something you wrote jumped out at me.

Originally Posted by kas99
My ex is being a super dad and for that I’m actually grateful. He bought both girls cars and gives them money.

So he’s trying to buy their effection while teaching them they don’t have to work for the things they have - like a car - it will just be given to them? How’s that being a “super dad?”

Originally Posted by kas99
It’s killing him that the kids won’t go over there much anymore.

Sounding like they saw through him in the end and the cars and the cash didn’t buy them off. Good for them!
Posted By: BL42 Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/13/23 04:54 AM
kas99,

It's been awhile...good to hear from you! Hopefully the finalization of the process has brought you some peace; sounds like you're in a much better place than 3+ years ago. Enjoy your relationship with your children, which is far more valuable in the long run than his GF. Glad the job is going so well. When I asked you your post-D pans last March you list things like: "new wardrobe, hair, kittens, sewing, exercise, and dating." How are those? Keep in touch :-)
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/13/23 09:07 PM
Originally Posted by bttrfly
thanks for the update K, so good to hear from you!

xoxoxo

When I was here before I was in limbo. No longer trying to save my marriage but not divorced yet either. I didn't quite fit in but maybe I do now. smile
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/13/23 09:20 PM
Originally Posted by job
I am so glad you returned to provide an update. I am glad all of your children are now living with you.

Your life will be so much better now that the divorce is over and done with.

Wishing you a far better year! Stay in touch.

It's wonderful to have my daughter back!! I believe this year will be better for sure.
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/13/23 09:56 PM
Originally Posted by kml
Remember - living well is the best revenge!

I think about you often. I haven't caught up on your story yet but back then I didn't think I'd ever get even remotely close to where you were. I think I've crossed over and get it now. smile
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/13/23 10:57 PM
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Glad you’re back and provided an update. I don’t want to provide comment that discourages more from you but something you wrote jumped out at me.

I still have more of a thin skin than I'd like but I'm getting stronger by the hour. Literally.

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So he’s trying to buy their affection while teaching them they don’t have to work for the things they have - like a car - it will just be given to them? How’s that being a “super dad?”

I've been a doormat, coddling mother so I'm no better than my ex. It's a long story.....
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/13/23 11:40 PM
I ran out of time so I’ll finish this later.

I was so terrified to be alone that I catered to my kids. I’ve stopped a lot of it but it’s hard. I wish S22 would move out and have come very close to kicking him out but i decided to wait. I partly chickened out and partly think I shouldn’t do something in anger. He’s been working full time for 6 months so it’s not terrible but I am mad.

D20 has stepped up and was saving for another car. Hers kept breaking down which caused me a lot of anxiety. One day I decided it wasn’t my problem and stopped. About that time my ex fixed her car then decided it wasn’t safe so he got her a new one.

Things are changing fast for me now and I guess I’m glad I don’t have to worry about the car anymore.

He’s doing more than buying things but I think his girlfriend is running the show. I also don’t think it will last.
Posted By: kas99 Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/14/23 11:25 PM
After reading a bit I think I’m still too sad for this forum. I feel good most of the time but I don’t have a life. I’m in hermit mode learning how to make myself happy. This has given me the gift of not putting up with bad treatment. I’ve straight up walked away from a few potential friends. If their presence isn't better than being alone then I’m out. This feels amazing btw.

I clung to my kids but I’m over that too. If they prefer money and gifts then so be it (they don’t). I no longer live in fear of being alone.

I live a simple life. I love my job. I read, watch tv, play on my phone, I have a bunch of plants, I got my cat back, I go to the gym or exercise at home. My house is decorated like a teenagers (lol). I’m debt free. I get to do whatever I want which is wonderful after 30 years of catering to another person.

My ex diagnosed me with bipolar disorder and convinced a doctor of it. I am happy to report I’m off those meds and I’m actually a peaceful person. All the horrible things he said about me were actually about him.

I want to date one day but for now I know I have nothing to offer. When I do date I want to bring the very best version of me.

I can’t wait until I actually am well enough to be here. smile
Posted By: kml Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/15/23 03:40 AM
Girl, you’re doing great! This all takes time.

After my boyfriend died last year, I’ve spent the better part of 9 months watching Korean dramas on tv in my spare time. And that’s okay! Eventually it inspired me to ride my exercise bike while watching, and then to start learning Korean on my Duolingo app.

Self care is important. We are here for you.

(And if you want a light fluffy Korean rom com, Business Proposal on Netflix is cute and is one of the handful that are dubbed in English).
Posted By: bttrfly Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/15/23 10:56 AM
honey, why do you think you don't belong here? because you're not dating or don't feel you're ready to do so??

I've been divorced six years and I'm just starting to consider dating now. I'm in the worst physical shape of my life. So what? I joined a gym. I'm working on it.

I have bouts of sadness, of course! We all do. That's life. Mom's gone, Dad's gone, the kid's semi-gone as in semi-on his own, the dog's on his way out ... but I'm still here, and posting. Please consider doing the same. I, for one, would love to read how you're doing.

xoxoxo
Posted By: job Re: The divorce that won't end - 01/15/23 07:01 PM
kas,

You are doing great. It takes time to rediscover yourself and figure things out. You've accomplished so much. Please don't judge your situation against those who are posting here. Each person has to move at their own pace. You will get to the top of the mountain when you are ready.

I'm glad you are off the meds and are doing okay. One day at a time, one step at a time. Be kind to yourself and most of all be patient with yourself. As the saying goes "Roman wasn't built in a day" and that truly applies to all who have gone ahead of you on this train.

Keep posting. We are here for you.
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