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Posted By: Holly06 Living and keep praying - 05/09/11 01:14 AM
Happy Mother's Day to all you lovely ladies! Happy Mother's Day to all those LB men who are doing the job of mothering children, and a better job than the misguided woman who left you.
There is an art to mothering, isn't there?

I am well and happy. TJ is a sweetie. He treats me better than he did in our marriage. I still do not have ILY, all but.
If you want the short version, 'nuff said. (stop reading).

If you want to gleen any hint that you can apply to your sitch, keep on.

He has tried to get the message of ILY to me using other words, and I think I finally believe it today. His Mother's Day was amazing. We still live in separate states and see each other about every 3 weeks. I visited him this weekend, and it was perfect. He is really relaxed w me. He is not "on guard" at all. He knows what to expect from me, and I like the person I am giving him.
I was concerned that I am not seeing any progress lately. I think that after a certain point, the progress is harder to see as the goal becomes closer.
He initiated the get together the weekend before. He had suggested getting together in St. Louis to visit oldest daughter and her husband. I have been in the habit of going to St L for M day. She always shows us the best of the city, and it is always fun. She was evasive about this year's visit, and a good explaination came later this week. So TJ figured out that I would be alone, and ask me if I wanted company. I offered to go up there, and he said "It's up to you". That is SO not the way decisions were made in our M.
We went to a Crew Regatta that his niece was in, we played golf at his CC, WE WENT TO CHURCH, and I made his favorite meal. We went to brunch this am, and I left around noon.
He gave me a MD gift, and a card that brings me to tears. It gave me a view of what zipping your lips means to the MLC who is coming back to himself. I have not asked for anything in our new R. No strings attached relationship. I was debating if he was far enough along to treat this as a truly mature relationship, ie: meeting my needs that have been on the back burner. He had a right to know what I needed in a R, right?
Well, I don't ask. I just enjoy what is offered. And when it comes, pure magic. Zip the Lips.
I think it has been very important to TJ that he knows long term that I am not going to punish him. I will not bring up the ugly past. He will not have to live without me trusting him. I thought I had gotten all the mileage I could out of that strategy, but it is still yielding benifits for our relationship.

His card was something like this: OK OK, exactly like this!
Happy MD to a STRONG woman who's been through it all.
The ups, the downs. The good times and the bad times.
The hopes the dreams
The fears and worries,
the pain and tears
The heartache and ECSTACY!
The craziness, the joy
the comedy the tragedy
the laughter
the exhaustion
THE ANTICIPATION!!

(inside)
And that was all since yesterday!

He wrote:
Haha...Don't you know it!
Hope you enjoy your special day,,,you deserve it!
Glad we can spend it together.
XXXOOO
TJ

If that is not an endorsement for waiting for answers to fall in your lap, I don't know what is.


Thank you Snodderly. I think I knew that your nugget of advice was meant for me to take to heart.


If by chance you read this Snodderly, I want you to know that your mothering of all us lost chicks (and roosters) has earned you an Honorary Mothers Degree. Thanks for your patience with US, and Happy Mother's day sweet lady.

So let the patience begin in earnest!

Always,
Hooolly.
(The mispelling is a shout out to YELLLoooo Rose. )
Posted By: Creed Re: Living and keep praying - 05/09/11 05:11 AM
Hollllllly

you've put a bigggg smile on my face. The best to you as you move forward. Patience, patience, patience.

And I truly agree....zip the lip is at the top of the list.

I'm glad you had such a great Mother's Day

Creeeeeeeeed (lol)
Posted By: punkin Re: Living and keep praying - 05/09/11 12:04 PM
Holly,

You've just given me the first honest smile I've had for days!

Congrats and hope everything keep rolling along smoothly.

Pun
Posted By: yellowrose Re: Living and keep praying - 05/09/11 07:46 PM
Hoooollly!!!!
You sound wonderful. I am so glad that things are going well for you and TJ.

You deserve the best! You are a fantastic woman and friend. I love you sista!!

Things are the same here. Moving slowly but that is okay. I dealing with some disturbing health issues but I put it in Gods hands.

Love ya

Yellooooooooow
Posted By: EverHopeful Re: Living and keep praying - 05/11/11 02:50 AM
Holly,
I wondered how you were doing. Sounds like things are going well. That is great news. May things continue to improve between you and TJ ! Come back again when you have time and let us know how things are progressing.

Take care,
Ever
Posted By: Was2sad Re: Living and keep praying - 05/11/11 06:42 PM
Holly,
The whole world is smiling with you. Celebrate life. It will reward ya!
cool
Posted By: Holly06 Re: Living and keep praying - 05/19/11 01:24 AM
Was,
you are truly one of the best Wonders of the World. Hasn't some smokin hot smartie scooped you up yet?

You are adorable and amazing. I wish the best for you too.

Don't ya miss the old days? We actually helped each other out by having fun.
I am tempted to tell you the bucket secret....
It is truly a funny story, only Lissett can tell.

The warm towels, boat drinks and the WasBusta bus?

Virtual good times.

On another note, if by chance anyone is reading, I have some thoughts about the whole "how to" survive a MLC. Really, how to be a friend that can make a difference to someone being left behind in a MLC.

If you are hurting, painfully spinning and trying to catch your equilibrium, your experiences are expected. They will never feel normal, and this whole thing that has happened to us is aweful.
If you are making DBing mistakes, that is OK. You will. Someone very wise told me that you can make mistakes with your MLC spouse. They probably won't even really notice they are spinning so fast. Be kind to yourself, OK? Don't expect perfection and don't let anyone hit you too hard with a 2 by 4, ok?

You are worth it. And you are doing the best you can under the circumstances. You will make mistakes, and you will learn from them.
Posted By: Holly06 Re: Living and keep praying - 05/19/11 01:27 AM
Anyone interested in creating a thread

"The best advice EVER on how to survive your spouse's MLC?????
Posted By: Tipper Re: Living and keep praying - 05/19/11 03:03 AM
Holly,
Thank you for writing that about the mistakes. I needed to hear that, as I have been currently fretting about My H coming to talk to me for the first time in three wks since he left.

I realized tonight, I was making a bigger deal out of it than I need to and to stop projecting what I think may end up happening during our conversation. I will try to not think about it so much and not worry if I do end up making a DBing mistake or any other mistake at that time. I will speak from my heart, and try to let him do a lot of the talking while I validate his feelings.

I am glad you wrote that paragraph, thanks!
TIPPER
Posted By: 25yearsmlc Re: Living and keep praying - 05/19/11 09:57 PM
Originally Posted By: Was2sad
Holly,
The whole world is smiling with you. Celebrate life. It will reward ya!
cool


NICE TO FIND YOU GUYS HERE...W2, you alright these days? Somehow, I know you are. Holly, well done girlfriend.
Posted By: Holly06 Re: Living and keep praying - 05/19/11 11:36 PM
Tipper,

Glad you got that. Actually, I was thinking of you when I wrote it.

You are doin' fine!
Posted By: beatrice Re: Living and keep praying - 05/20/11 07:16 AM
My goodness Holly, your post about the old times got me thinking! Do you remember Baseball Annie? And the pool boys? Was it fun because we all had hope then? Also I think we could be more open . . . . .

I have come to see getting through MLC as going through a maze, but one with several paths through it. There isn't a single right way, but if we keep coming up against a dead-end then perhaps we need to find another direction!

I also see MLCers as living in their own reality, and speaking from that 'distorted' or changed reality A bit like teaching math with base 8 instead of base 10. When you get that it all makes more sense. Except of course with a MLCer the base keeps changing. I wish I had realised that they are not actually crazy, in the irrational sense, but acting out another reality which seems real to them.

The other thing I have come to see is that they are not happy - perhaps initially for up to 2 years when the euphoria of their new life takes over for a time, but even then, there are doubts. They wouldn't shout so loud it they were confident. Then they are stuck and miserable. The smart ones start to do some thinking, but the rest seem to become victims.

Anyway your life sounds really good, and I am so happy for you. So is mine, in my own peculiar way - I have bought a wonderful old wreck of a house with cottages attached which I am renovating . . slowly. I intend to make it into a retreat for writers and people who want a bit of time out. You have to enjoy living in a building site and having not very good nails, and doing a lot of work yourself, but it is fun and people are constantly coming to stay and offer some help, or cook me meals in the primitive kitchen. Although 7 months of the year we live mainly outside. Very different from my former life. I think I an potentially a peasant! Must go and hoe the tomatoes.
Posted By: 25yearsmlc Re: Living and keep praying - 05/20/11 08:04 AM
I also recall the pool boys and Baseball Annie (a fellow L), and Was2 who SO helped me, and Puff Daddy lizzette's MLC H and "watching the parade from the sidewalk"...and I recall how much I actually laughed here.

Believe it or not, I remember it fondly. Hmm, How weird is that?
Posted By: beatrice Re: Living and keep praying - 05/20/11 08:40 AM
Originally Posted By: 25yearsmlc
. . . Puff Daddy lizzette's MLC H and "watching the parade from the sidewalk"...and I recall how much I actually laughed here.

Believe it or not, I remember it fondly. Hmm, How weird is that?


So do I - I had forgotten that Lisette called her xh Puff Daddy. I hope she is doing well. I occasionally exchange emails with BBA. I guess like it says in the Tale of Two Cities 'It was the best of times, it was the worst of times . . .' but we survived, and are thriving.
Posted By: 25yearsmlc Re: Living and keep praying - 05/20/11 08:41 AM
amen ^^^ to that sistah!
Posted By: seeking answers Re: Living and keep praying - 05/20/11 11:46 AM
Oh ladies, it does sound like you had some fun!

I'm working hard to get to the thriving part!
Posted By: beatrice Re: Living and keep praying - 05/20/11 12:30 PM
SA you will get there, I promise.
Posted By: dolphin_05 Re: Living and keep praying - 05/21/11 11:44 AM
Originally Posted By: Holly06
Anyone interested in creating a thread

"The best advice EVER on how to survive your spouse's MLC?????


Yes, pls do. In my situation with a H who is in constant contact, still has ow but is showing signs of significant introspection I need all the reading and shared experience possible!!

Cas
Posted By: 25yearsmlc Re: Living and keep praying - 05/21/11 04:43 PM
I'll bring the popcorn and sunglasses, (and umbrella for the tough dark rainy days). It might be a long parade.

Holly06, you want me to?
Posted By: Sanderika Re: Living and keep praying - 05/24/11 03:30 PM
[quote=Holly06]Anyone interested in creating a thread

"The best advice EVER on how to survive your spouse's MLC?????

Yes!!

Holly, this would be a very beneficial thread for all.

Please do....

Sanderika
Posted By: goodattitudegirl Re: Living and keep praying - 05/24/11 11:22 PM
Holly,

Originally Posted By: Holly06
Anyone interested in creating a thread

"The best advice EVER on how to survive your spouse's MLC?????

Yes, a thread on this topic would be VERY welcome!

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