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Posted By: Challngr Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/08/19 08:11 PM
Hey guys. Just joined and also just today set up phone coaching for a few sessions to see if I can get some help. Im a fixer H, whose W walked away. Yah I know , abbreviations! Not my thing yet. Wanted to give a quick story and ask a few questions.

Quick back story. Married 9 years, together for 13. We dont fight, argue and have had a happy home (or atleast I thought). Ive always told people how rock solid we are. So as you can imagine first BD caught we way off guard.

The bomb was she was no longer interested in sex with me or anyone else for that matter. Its always been the one thing that has been a bit of a spat for us. This was 11 months ago. So realizing for first time how serious this all was since I wasnt interested in being roomates I did what I thought was a 180. I told her to handle the sexual activity as she saw fit and not to do any more than she wanted to. We read 5 love languages book and that was pretty much it. So I started helping with the kids every bit of 50% (id say i was about a 30% partner with kids before). I started cleaning, cooking, watching kids, whatever she needed. All without counseling. I was killing it! Sex activity never dropped off, life was better (so I thought). We went to a counselor about 3 months later to try to start connecting. Uh this sucked after 3 sessions of her listen to both our arguing of what we wanted. Unproductive to both of us and we quit. Fast forward to 8 weeks ago:

Wife comes home and says she wants space and is going to stay with her mom a few days (its now been 8 weeks). THe dreaded i love you, but im not in love with you anymore. Argument ensues, emotions run high with mostly me and devastated she wants to leave and she takes off. Immediately that turned into ahhhh maybe a month ill be gone or 3 or i dont know maybe 6! So of course Im like F***. Oh forgot to mention we bought a house 12 weeks ago brand new that we both picked out the options and had it custom tailored to us. 4 weeks later she was gooone!
Now that Im here i realize i have broken all the rules thus far. Although at first it didnt seem like a bad idea to text and try to stay in contact as I was naturally devastated. She did agree to MC and we found what I believe to be a good dude but im not sure if he is solution based TBH. So we have been going for 6 weeks this week. At first it was 2x a week, now just one. Last thursday after 7 weeks, I had a meltdown when she came over to get the kids (2,8) and wanted to spew all the knowledge I have read in all the self help books i have read, and of course, it made her push away and even say more mean stuff to me. Went to therapy next day and I just ran through all my frustrations. Got out of therapy, and it was like a switch went off in my brain, to just let it go and accept that this is what has happened to you. So for a week ive been super calm, no spirals , no texting about relationship (we were doing often in the past 7 weeks) and I've continued on my life. Also no initiating. Then I found here and was glad I started doing what is already recommended on this site. I have read all the basic info that cadet posts to all newbies and im working off of that.

Main concerns of wife are that she is no longer in love with me (seems workable) and that she has a lot of resentment towards me for issues that happened years ago, some even when we first met.
-Rules ive broken when we are together is I hug her, kiss her on the cheek and tell her I love you when she leaves. She doesnt seem to mind it, but I will def stop doing that if its hurting me.

OK, Questions I now have.

1. Her grandmother passed away 2 weeks into our separation and we were both close to her. I've been invited to her celebration of life this upcoming friday. I said I would go of course. Wifes mother asked if I would help set up the event , and also wife wants me to help with watching the kids at the event. This is a tough one for me cause its her day with the kids that day. I dont want to come across as rude or that I dont care about this event but with all this happening and little regard for what I feel like, is for me, do I tell them both no? Do i suck it up due to circumstances? I guess my original hope was to go as a guest and enjoy the celebration as a guest. Now i feel like im the help. I wish I would have asked these questions before I said yes. I had reservation and she said whats wrong. I said no its fine ill do it. But this is also first time I will see extended family of hers since separation and Im good with all of them, so thats hard too. Oh and she also wants me to take the kids over night after the event as the house will be full with a bunch of people that evening.

2.How dark do I go? Keep texts only about kids? No hugs, no kiss on the cheek, no "i love you's"?

3. Vacation in january to Disneyland with kids was planned with her mother and father as well. W mother and father are going all out on the vacation for the kids. They still want me to come. I have explained that if we are not together that I dont plan on going. Is that the right move? They were mad cause I wont do it for the kids but I love my wife a ton and im already hurting , why would I go on vacation with W and her mother/father where it will be awkward I believe and I wont be enjoying myself as I once thought I would> Im over doing everything for the kids. I need to be ok too.

4. Holidays. Do we split them up now or try to still do them together? I dont think she is opposed to doing them together still.

5. New arrangement starting this week is Dinner on wednesday when i drop kids off, and park on sundays when I pick them back up (we are doing 3 1/2 days each for my sanity and schedule) Did i mention i love my kids immensely and its killing me? Wife knows im a great dad. question part is, do i do dinner on wednesdays still while im going dark or keep it that way since its a family thing?

Thanks for reading all of this, I hope someone responds smile

Things Ive done for 8 weeks now: Lost weight (35lbs in 8 weeks), excercise everyday, read 4 books, taking care of the house, doing household projects. Met a new friend and have been out a couple of times to keep my sanity.

Things ive done only for 1 week now is: accepting of the situation finally! I feel cool, calm and collected , ive stopped pursuing, I stopped sharing my feelings about the R and I have stopped convincing her during talks.
Posted By: Cadet Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/08/19 08:19 PM
Welcome to the board

Sorry you are here but you will meet some wonderful people here and get some great advice.

Yes first thing you should do is be sure to read the Divorce Remedy (DR) book by MWD
http://www.mcssl.com/store/mwdtc2014/
http://divorcebusting.com/sample_book_chapters.htm

and Michele's articles
http://www.divorcebusting.com/articles.htm

You may be on moderation now, post in small frequent replies and stay on this thread until you reach 100 posts
(for your thread, you can also post on other peoples threads to give support).
Especially on this Newcomers forum, where the posting activity is very active,
and your posts can quickly fall to the bottom of the page or even several pages down.
Keep journaling and asking questions - people will come!
Most important - POST!

Get out and Get a Life (GAL).

DETACH.

Believe none of what he or she says and half of what he/she does.

Have NO EXPECTATIONS.

Take care of yourself, breathe, eat, sleep, exercise.

Take the parts of this advice that you need and don't worry if I have repeated something that you have already done.

Here are a few links to threads that will help you immensely:

I would start with Sandi's Rules
A list of dos and don'ts for the LBS (left behind spouse)
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2553072#Post2553072

Going Dark
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=50956#Post5095

Detachment thread
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2538414#Post2538414

Validation Cheat Sheet: Techniques and tips on how to validate (showing your walk away spouse (WAS) that you recognize and accept his or her opinions as valid, even if you do not agree with them)
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2457566#Post2457566

Boundaries Cheat Sheet
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2536096#Post2536096

Abbreviations
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2553153#Post2553153

For Newcomer LBH with a Wayward Wife by sandi2
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2545554#Post2545554

Resource thread
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forum...ain=57819&Number=2578224#Post2578224

Stages of the LBS
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1964990&page=1

Validation
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=191764#Post191764

Pursuit and Distance
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2483574#Post2483574

The Lighthouse Story
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2484619#Post2484619

Your H or W is giving you a GIFT.
THE GIFT OF TIME.
USE it wisely.

Knowledge is Power - Sir Francis Bacon
Posted By: LH19 Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/08/19 09:16 PM
C,

Welcome to the board.

Dude you want to enjoy the celebration as a guest wtf? Her grandmother died. You do what you need to do for her on that day.

As for everything else your kind of all over the board. Kissing her and telling her you love her and then trying to go dark. That is likely very confusing to her.

Much depends of if there is an other male. Most likely there is and most things are still the same, but as for Disney my advice would depend on if there is an OM.

Do you have a sense for who it is?
Posted By: SoTorn Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/08/19 09:26 PM
Sorry you are here. Its a very hard thing to deal with. There are some great people here with solid advice.

Regarding going dark. Its not about ignoring her. Its about turning your attention inward and using the gift of time she gave you to better yourself for yourself and for your kids. That being said, if you want to go dark then yes stop all communication beyond finances and kids. No hugs, no kisses, no ILY. When you give her affection and she is not in love with you it helps nothing and just reminds her that she is not in love with you.

I would say to stop counseling. She BDed you. She ended your MR by walking away. Its over in her mind so going to MC just gives her a platform to express all her negativity and fish for validation.

No R talks. If she brings up the R just validate her feelings and disengage from the conversation.

In regards to the death. I am sorry to hear you lost someone dear first and foremost. You already committed to doing it and the plus is that you will get to spend time with the kids more. Take every opportunity to be there for your kids because they are hurting badly right now and need to know you are there for them. Just go do what you agreed to and leave your WAW alone.

I do have to ask, have you noticed any odd behavior from your W? Hiding the ohone, new friends, new clothes, obsessively working on her looks, going out late? The reason I ask is because in a lot of these situations there may be an affair going on. Most WAW dont bail on the relationship unless there is something else waiting. Grass is greener etc. The saying is that a monkey will not let go of a branch until it firmly has another in its grasp. Also, when a WAW moves out suddenly, its usually because they want to have the freedom to act as they want. I dont want to upset you or cause additional distress, but prepare yourself as you may find out in the future that there is an OM.

My exww did the exact same less moving out. Completely pulled away from her family and constantly traveled for work. Come to find out she was banging her boss and finding every excuse to travel and continue her A.

Its all about you and your kids now. Every decision you make must be made from the perspective on whether or not it benefits you and your relationship with your kids. Nothing you do should be based in how your WAW would react or what she wants. Let her go to get her back.

In regards to the vacation. I personally would not go play pretend happy family. However, if you feel that it would be beneficial for the kids you may want to go. Maybe get a separate room?

Anyway, its a very long journey. Its a marathon and not a race. Keep your head up and understand that you will be fine. You will get through this. You will come out a better man and father and that better man will either benefit his renewed MR or a future relationship with a new woman or even single. Keep posting here. If you want to approach her with a question or comment, post here first. Dont let her eat cake.
Posted By: Ready2Change Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/08/19 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Challngr
OK, Questions I now have.
1. Her grandmother passed away 2 weeks into our separation and we were both close to her. I've been invited to her celebration of life this upcoming Friday.
Yes, you go. Do whatever you can to help W and your kids through this difficult sitch.

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2.How dark do I go? Keep texts only about kids? No hugs, no kiss on the cheek, no "i love you's"?
Yes. treat her like you would a cashier at the grocery store. Polite, but not personal.


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3. Vacation in January to Disneyland with kids was planned with her mother and father as well. W mother and father are going all out on the vacation for the kids. They still want me to come. I have explained that if we are not together that I dont plan on going. Is that the right move?
I would politely back out. You have been fired as H. Take kids on your own vacation.

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4. Holidays. Do we split them up now or try to still do them together? I dont think she is opposed to doing them together still.
Get as many agreements in place as possible. Get the splits 50/50. Odd years Mother gets Thanksgiving day and Xmas eve, Father gets the Thanksgiving Friday and Xmas day. Even years it is reversed.

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5. New arrangement starting this week is Dinner on wednesday when i drop kids off, and park on sundays when I pick them back up (we are doing 3 1/2 days each for my sanity and schedule) Did i mention i love my kids immensely and its killing me? Wife knows im a great dad. question part is, do i do dinner on wednesdays still while im going dark or keep it that way since its a family thing?
I would let her do dinner with kids alone, and you do the same.


Most of the spouses blame their unhappiness in the LBS. It is important that they have time ans space away from you to realize that you are not the cause of their unhappiness.



Focus on your personal growth. Learn Alpha male behavior and start making changes to your behavior.
Read this:
https://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2846984#Post2846984


Most LBS wait to long to do things. Set her free. Let her miss you. Your goal is to seduce her back. Everything that works is counter intuitive.

Posted By: Challngr Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/08/19 10:20 PM
When i said i wanted to go as a guest, I only mean that I dont want to feel used and be the "nice guy" and continue to feel a bit trampled on. NO there is no other person that I am aware of. She has said several times she wants to be a lone. She has never been the cheating type and she has always needed to feel a connection to have sex. So i think im pretty safe there. I also say that because there were no gaps in time in our relationship while she worked. She came home ALOT to be with me or to do happy hours, etc. This why such a shock. We did ALOT together everyday. We definitely are best friends. I mean she says I still am but we def dont act like it now. No late nights, not really many friends, no new clothes or changing looks at all. I dont want to play happy family on the vacation so thats why my hesistation. My 2 year old son doesnt know about her death and my 8 year old has down syndrome and doesnt understand at all that she is gone, despite them 2 being buddies since birth. Her grandmother helped us out tremendously.
Posted By: ovrrnbw Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/08/19 10:24 PM
Don't go to Disbeyland "for the kids". That's a guilt trip if I've ever seen one. Maybe she should honor her marriage vows "for the kids". Don't say that to her though.

She's surely shacked up with some POS so don't go play happy family with her.
Posted By: ovrrnbw Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/08/19 10:24 PM
Don't go to Disbeyland "for the kids". That's a guilt trip if I've ever seen one. Maybe she should honor her marriage vows "for the kids". Don't say that to her though.

She's surely shacked up with some POS so don't go play happy family with her.
Posted By: Challngr Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/08/19 10:29 PM
Thanks for the responses so far. To be clear I only mentioned going dark because during my meltdown last week it finally hit home that my pursuing was doing far worse damage, so on my own i just stopped. I found this site and it said to go dark as well, so im trying to implement that too but looking for advice overall. I talk to a phone coach on thursday so I guess Ill get some good feeback all the way around
Posted By: LH19 Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/08/19 10:40 PM
Well you can’t go dark when you have kids. Stop pursuing and give her space and even more space and then more space.

When you’re not with the kids make sure you’re going out and being mysterious about it.

Lastly, if I had a nickel for every LBS that said my W doesn’t believe in cheating and then come to find out their spouse cheated. I would be retired.

Are you familiar with the term emotional affair?
Posted By: SoTorn Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/08/19 10:42 PM
Yes you will. You wont be able to go full dark. Thats literally no contact. Go dim. Treat her as a friendly business partner. Never show negative emotions around her. Always be upbeat and happy and always be busy. She will think WTF? But thats not the goal. Fake it until you make it.

If there is not an OM then you are fortunate. Regardless, your actions need to be the same no matter what.

Dont get guilted into doing anything. Just take a step back and check what the benefits are. Does this action benefit you, your kids or make you happy? Does not doing the action negatively impact you or the kids in any way? If there is no benefit and no detrimental consequences then there is no reason to do something "just cause"

I say do the funeral because you already said yes. But if it doesn negatively impact you or the kids then it doesnt matter if you change your mind. As long as you choosing to do it isnt trying to get brownie points. Or choosing to not go to "show her" you arent at her beck and call.
Posted By: Hallzy9 Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/08/19 10:43 PM
Hey bud, sorry you’re here but you’ve come to the right place. This isn’t an easy time but everyone here will support you. Keep posting. Talk to a coach if you can.

I had a very similar experience in that I accepted an invite to Disney land a month or two after BD. Everyone on here advised me against it but I still went. I will say I enjoyed myself and had a great time, but the W used it as an opportunity to bring up the hit list of all the bad things I did in the R.

I think that maybe down the road it would be okay, but if you are early on in your sitch and your W is still showing resentment and disrespect, I would pass on that.

Then again it’s really up to you. If you want to go and can prepare yourself to not get upset and to have no expectations, it’s really your decision.
Posted By: Challngr Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/08/19 10:47 PM
I have read about emotional affairs and it also doesnt seem to fit our relationship> I get this site has a lot of people who have been cheated on , but I feel pretty confident that she has not (90%). Do I flat out ask her? I mean I have asked her several times when I have melted down if there is someone else and to be honest with me and every time its a no or a version of no. Like I said no warning leading up to BD. Sex was still regular and sexual activity pretty active still. 4-5 days a week something was happening I'd say? It was pretty active for her to be doing something with someone else. She is very emotional when it comes to that so while I do believe she could be "talking" to someone I dont believe anything has happened before or "yet"
Maybe im naive at this too
Posted By: Challngr Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/08/19 10:52 PM
Yah see i think it will be to painful for me to go. They are doing it up big with all these plans and im afraid im just going to feel more lonely. I asked her to go with me and the family to santa cruz a couple of saturdays ago and she said yes. Had a great time but i got to end of day and I felt really sad . There we all were having a great time but I couldnt hold or kiss my wife and I had to fake what I was feeling. In that moment i just wanted to be a foursome again so badly. She was cooooold
Posted By: Challngr Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/08/19 11:01 PM
Another question on W possibly having an A. .......Would she really go to MC , lie to me and say there is nobody else, and also lie to therapist? If there was an affair I feel like why would she agree to MC and the MC is encouraging her to take steps forward while I take steps back. Seems as if there was an OM there would be no point in that right now as that person would be her focus , not getting back with me. She agreed to it as soon as she separated which tells me she thinks there possible hope for us??
Posted By: Challngr Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/08/19 11:16 PM
Oh and a point on our MC he does hold my wife accountable for her side of the problem and she does accept blame and her half of the problem by never expressing to me any of her issues. So i think that has been helpful as im not getting blamed or giving her a platform for validation for leaving. However, it does feel we spend alot of time on the negativity of the past . Of course 13 years has been nitpicked to seem like our marriage was a disaster. And it wasnt at all
Posted By: Jac12 Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/08/19 11:37 PM
Believe none of what they say and half of what they do.

They'll lie as much as they feel they can get away with and they'll lie some more even after you have proof of anything.

Don't assume anything either. If she is asking to go to MC and there is no proof of an A then go if you want to go. If you choose that, just listen as much as you can and validate her feelings when appropriate. Whether you agree with anything she says or not, they are her feelings so don't fight them.
Posted By: LH19 Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/08/19 11:46 PM
C,

Sometimes MC is used as a front to say “see we tried everything and don’t want to try anymore”.

If she’s in an A it will eventually come out.

If she’s in MC and is actively participating and doing all the Homework that is a good sign she’s not in an A.

The thing is if she’s suggesting MC and actively trying, why would she have to move out?
Posted By: Challngr Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/09/19 12:12 AM
No i suggested MC after she left for a few days. She agreed and he asks her every session what she is doing. He gives us little homework assignments. For instance he liked that we went to santa cruz and had a good time. I did ask my wife for a kiss and she said 'no'. I was a bit upset and shut down, and on way home (3 hour drive) she asked if I wanted to talk about it. She thought i was mad I couldnt kiss her and I was really upset that she kinda chuckled when she said it. MC talked about how it was probably awkward for her still and that he really liked that I asked her permission as a step forward and he liked her telling me no if she wasnt comfortable. As it was a step for her to voice and stand her ground which she felt she couldnt do in the past for fear of upsetting me.
Posted By: SoTorn Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/09/19 02:28 AM
Originally Posted by Challngr
I have read about emotional affairs and it also doesnt seem to fit our relationship> I get this site has a lot of people who have been cheated on , but I feel pretty confident that she has not (90%). Do I flat out ask her? I mean I have asked her several times when I have melted down if there is someone else and to be honest with me and every time its a no or a version of no. Like I said no warning leading up to BD. Sex was still regular and sexual activity pretty active still. 4-5 days a week something was happening I'd say? It was pretty active for her to be doing something with someone else. She is very emotional when it comes to that so while I do believe she could be "talking" to someone I dont believe anything has happened before or "yet"
Maybe im naive at this too


My exww swore up and down she wasnt cheating. She was still having sex with me through September 2019. She was also banging her boss from at least March 2019. At first there were nonsigns but once she jumped in with both feet it was obvious. Telling you that you are the problem and reason for the MR breaking up is usually a gaslighting attempt by a cheater.

Its unfortunate but true that most people that have come here swearing their wife is that one who they just know for sure didnt cheat, end up finding about an A fown the road. Again, do not allow that to fester. What you do will not change. What she is doing is already hurtful. We arent trying to scare you or convince you its true. We just want you to understand that it could happen and to be prepared if it does. Dont ask her if she is cheating because she will never and I mean never admit to it.

I had proof from a private investigator and my exww tried to still deny it. I had to play a recording of her talking to her boss where she talked about their hotel the upcoming weekend and him bragging about having sex with her to his friend. Even then she still tried to find a way out. "I stayed in his room because he was sick". What she meant to say was she was *******#$%^**^%$.

No matter what, you focus on you. You need to take care of yourself because it gets very stressful to the point where if you are not prepared it can literally break you mentally and emotionally. You can get physically ill because of the stress and emotional rollercoaster. Focusing on yourself is for your wellbeing and sanity.
Posted By: SoTorn Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/09/19 02:31 AM
And I agree that if she is participating in MC, I mean actually participating and not just throwing blame at you the entire time, that is a good sign. But the moving out so suddenly is very very odd.
Posted By: MrBrside Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/09/19 09:29 AM
Originally Posted by Challngr
She has never been the cheating type and she has always needed to feel a connection to have sex. So i think im pretty safe there. I also say that because there were no gaps in time in our relationship while she worked. She came home ALOT to be with me or to do happy hours, etc. This why such a shock. We did ALOT together everyday. We definitely are best friends. I mean she says I still am but we def dont act like it now. No late nights, not really many friends, no new clothes or changing looks at all.


This is an all to familiar summary and i suspect 80% of posters on here thought that - me included.

Read Sandis first post...

Originally Posted by Sandi2
I can only give you my VP from the other side. If you had known me before my A, you would have thought I was the last person (other than your mother, maybe) to do what I did


https://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2545554&page=1

My WAW was the same and detested cheaters. Her father cheated on her mother and her first memories from when she was 3 years old are her dad walking out. Since the day i met her she always swore that was something she would never tolerate..

Ironically 8 years and 3 children later she became friendly with a co worker and weeks of messages followed, along with no intamacy etc. This was EA1, but then came EA2 ( hours and hours and hours of messaging a guy she met a few times out on the town ) and EA3 - a guy she met at the gym- EA3 turned into a PA..

An EA could occur with a complete stranger online, so the cloths, late nights out etc would not apply. It could be a co worker - so she may only see them at work and late nights need not apply at first.. But once the WAW mindset kicks in, rational and logic are replaced by emotion.. Which 99% of the people on here will tell you has disastrous consequences for a marrige.

Detach and start to work on you.. Hit the gym and be the best dad you can be.. Your priorities should become:
You
Your children
Posted By: Challngr Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/09/19 04:18 PM
Yah i mean ive racked my brain trying to find where she would have opportunity or mood changes or anything to suggest an A because thats what I immediately went to as well. However, her response to leaving was originally going to be 3 days to clear her head. She said the pressure and resentment had built up that she couldnt do it anymore. There were some things going on during this time with her grandma on her death bad and us just buying a new house. So I figured this would blow over pretty quick. However, now its full blown she feels better being at her moms house without the pressure of me around her. Her parents would be none to excited if she was seeing someone else and the house is full of people so that would rule that out there. Not to say she couldnt go somewhere else, etc. nor hide it from her parents as well. She is really close to them so I think I would have found out by now. I've pressed hard in the past. Always, she wants to be alone and she needs to deal with the resentment of the past and is not looking for someone. MC doesnt think this is abnormal either and hasnt asked if shes having an affair except the first time we met and we both said no. However, my guard is still up that this is a possibility as im not trying to be naive, but i havent got any inkling of proof that she is. [censored] most of the time i see her, her hair is up and she looks in mom mode, with no makeup. Shes an attractive woman for sure, but she sure isnt trying when i see her 3 times a week. This even when she is coming from work to MC on her lunch break. So I know she is taking it with her to work, where she is in a professional environment. Who knows i guess. Trying not to worry about that right now at all as it doesnt matter at this point. She is gone, and im here , trying to pick up the pieces and keep the house going. Im at peace with everything and just trying to be happy and figure out a game plan to first try to get her back and 2nd to move on with my life and try to start doing things that make me happy. Like i said before im down 34 pounds and im lighter than i was when i met her 13 years ago. So first goal is checked off in 8 weeks. Its really helped keep my mind busy. But as I sit here today, my worry isnt her anymore. IT was for 7 weeks and it was making me go MAD. I was just losing it, crying randomly, even sobbing at times . I cried more in 7 weeks than i have in 40 years of existence. A week without tears finally. I think i just needed to accept it. After last weeks meltdown I think i was grieving the loss of it all and my mind switched to acceptance. I dont know , it was like a switch went off in my brain. I've been calm and happy since. Hopefully this will last as its a much better feeling than before
Posted By: ovrrnbw Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/09/19 05:09 PM
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Always, she wants to be alone and she needs to deal with the resentment of the past and is not looking for someone.

It's probably going to take several weeks to hammer this home, but the saying goes "Believe nothing they say and only half of what they do"

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[censored] most of the time i see her, her hair is up and she looks in mom mode, with no makeup.

What can you do to turn this around? Have you read R2C's links on attraction?

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I think i just needed to accept it. After last weeks meltdown I think i was grieving the loss of it all and my mind switched to acceptance. I dont know , it was like a switch went off in my brain.
These emotions definitely cycle. Once you learn that and keep it in mind, it becomes easier to deal with and control the situation.
Posted By: Ready2Change Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/09/19 05:55 PM


Get ready for Friday:

Today, go get a new hair style. Go shopping and buy 3 new stylish outfits, and some new cologne. Make sure they are all interchangeable and that one is appropriate for the event on Friday.

You want to project a new image to people. Stylish and age appropriate. Dress better than others your age.

Never ask for a kiss again. Focus on being attractive. Think "Clint Eastwood". Little talking, much actions.
Posted By: unchien Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/09/19 06:59 PM
First I apologize if this has already been asked before put I quick scanned the thread so far.

What does she resent from the past?
Posted By: Many worries Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/09/19 07:36 PM
First, I think it's crummy that you guys are insisting there is an A. Just because you guys drove your spouses to other people doesn't mean he did. Secondly, the other critical component of a spouse having an A is the gut feeling that something was wrong. Challngr has not said whether he has that gut feeling. Also there are a lot of red flags that are in other people situations .

if his wife is found to be having an A there is a perverse "I told you so" that will go on. That isn't helpful.


But more to the point. That isn't where his focus is now.
Posted By: ozman Re: Help a newbie out with all this... - 10/09/19 11:15 PM
Hey challenger. Sorry this is happening to you man. It’s awful. I know it is. Everybody here has been or is in that terrible place. Check out my sitch if you want. It’s a doozy lol. I was a wreck

You said “I want to first try to figure out a game plan to get her back and then 2nd find what makes me happy”

You have got those backward my friend. There is no “plan” that will work to get her back

The “let her go to get her back” is the only thing that has a chance of truly working. But you can’t fake it. If you do, she will know and it won’t work.

It has to be genuine let her go. A wise person on here once said “your never more attractive than when your walking away”. But here’s the catch. You can’t walk away, and then turn and look over your shoulder. She HAS to feel herself loosing you. Genuinely loosing you. And you have to be totally ok with that. Then and only then will you have a shot

Focus on yourself. What would put a smile on your face right now that has nothing to do with her. Go do that.

Focus on your kids. You said your son has Downs? Mine is very autistic. I can relate.

Good luck you you man. If I’m wrong about anything I said I’m sure the Vets here will let me know

Oz
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