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Posted By: hawker Newbie - 06/24/16 09:09 AM
Hello,
I have been researching here lately waiting on the Divorce Remedy book. I have also read the first chapter online. I will tell my situation and hope for some ideas.

I am in a same sex relationship. We have been together 9 years and married 1. In Feb. my wife started acting distant and she said she was just tired and unhappy. I checked the phone records and I found several calls (some being late night) from the same number. I researched who it was at it was a co-worker. When I asked if she was seeing someone she denied it several times until I told her about the phone records.

She said they had an emotional connection but it was not physical. I was devestated like most of us are...I thought she stopped but I found more call the next month. In our relationship we never faught, argued or anything like that...we have all the same interests, hobbies, and same group of friends. We went to counseling twice but I didn't think it would help if she is still having the emotional A...she continued to go because I think she is having a MLC.

So she then proceeds to tell me she doesn't know what she wants, continues to text the girl, we are on summer break right now but saw her for like an hour at work each day...she moved out in May to "find herself and figure out what she wants"....

I was doing all the wrong things until I found this board. I know that we can't repair things until she gets out of her affair fog....I started to detach and not talk about our relationships, the OW, beg, phone, text, etc. She is in another state at the moment visiting family for a month. She has actually called me several times and we talked for an hour each time and I have always waited for her to text first. She used to just text before. After she moved out she contacted me to meet her several times a week for dinner...I did not suggest any of that, just waiting on her.

She said we just stopped talking in November and she started talking to the OW and now she feels an attachment to her.

Am I doing the right things or should I not communicate at all so that she gets out of her fog??

Thanks for the advice!
Posted By: hawker Newbie - 06/24/16 09:23 AM
Hello,

So here is my story...I am in a same sex relationship. Wife and I have been together 9 years, married 1 year. The past year she has had some major changes, marriage, quit coaching, got master's, mother diagnosed with cancer. We were married in April. I found out in Feb. she was having an emotional A with a coworker. I thought it had ended but found phone records. She says she doesn't know what she wants, blah blah...mind you I thought we had the best relationship, no fights or arguments, liked the same thing.

She continues to text this OW and before our summer break she saw her like an hour a day at work. She moved out in May to see if she could "figure out what she wants". I did all the wrong things before reading this board and the first chapter of DR book. I begged, pleaded, blah blah. She is in another state this month and I have tried not to text first, etc. She has actually called me and we have talked more than normal. She still texts all day but she always initiates it....anyhow before she left she also wanted to meet up for dinners a few times a week.

I know she is still texting the OW....so do I quit communicating (she said this was our problem) or just keep talking and texting and just keep it short. I know she has to get out of the affair fog to make our marriage work.

thanks!
Posted By: Cadet Re: Newbie - 06/24/16 10:18 AM
Welcome to the board

Sorry you are here but you will meet some wonderful people here and get some great advice.

The first thing you should do is be sure to read the Divorce Remedy (DR) book by MWD
http://www.mcssl.com/store/mwdtc2014/
http://divorcebusting.com/sample_book_chapters.htm

You may be on moderation now, post in small frequent replies and stay on this thread until you reach 100 posts
(for your thread, you can also post on other peoples threads to give support).
Especially on this Newcomers forum, where the posting activity is very active,
and your posts can quickly fall to the bottom of the page or even several pages down.
Keep journaling and asking questions - people will come!
Most important - POST!

Get out and Get a Life (GAL).

DETACH.


Believe none of what he or she says and half of what he/she does.

Have NO EXPECTATIONS.

Take care of yourself, breathe, eat, sleep, exercise.

Take the parts of this advice that you need and don't worry if I have repeated something that you have already done.

Here are a few links to threads that will help you immensely:

I would start with Sandi's Rules
A list of dos and don'ts for the LBS (left behind spouse)
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2553072#Post2553072

Going Dark
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=50956#Post5095

Detachment thread
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2538414#Post2538414

Validation Cheat Sheet: Techniques and tips on how to validate (showing your walk away spouse (WAS) that you recognize and accept his or her opinions as valid, even if you do not agree with them)
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2457566#Post2457566

Boundaries Cheat Sheet
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2536096#Post2536096

Abbreviations
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2553153#Post2553153

For Newcomer LBH with a Wayward Wife by sandi2
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2545554#Post2545554

Resource thread
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubb...224#Post2578224

Stages of the LBS
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1964990&page=1

Validation
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=191764#Post191764

Pursuit and Distance
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2483574#Post2483574

The Lighthouse Story
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2484619#Post2484619

Your H or W is giving you a GIFT.
THE GIFT OF TIME.
USE it wisely.

Knowledge is Power - Sir Francis Bacon
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 06/24/16 10:37 AM
Thanks, I have the book ordered just waiting for it to arrive! smile
Posted By: Cadet Re: Newbie - 06/24/16 10:50 AM
Just keep POSTING and one other bit of advice from Wonka
that I totally agree with.

Originally Posted By: Wonka
Get DR/DB book. Keep this to yourself. DO NOT share this book or this site at all with your spouse. It is your playbook and not to be shared with the "opposing" team.

It is important to clear the search/browsing history from your computer on a daily basis to prevent the possibility for your WAS to stumble on the DB site and discover your posts here on DB. Erasing the search history will protect your posts and you as well.

We have seen too many Marriages blow up in pieces after the WAS discovers the DB site or DR book. Why is that? It is because the WAS thinks, erroneously I might add, that you are "manipulating" them back into the M.

Keep the DR book and DB site very close to your vest.
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 06/24/16 11:05 AM
Sounds good thank you!
Posted By: Cristy Re: Newbie - 06/24/16 01:44 PM
Hello Hawker,

I'm so sorry for the situation you are in.

If she complained of lack of communication in the past, I would caution you against going totally dark. Letting her initiate all communication is good. Be cordial and neighborly while keeping it brief.

Be aware that she could be temperature checking you as a way of keeping you interested/engaged. She wants to be sure you are available as plan B in case things don't work out with this EA.

Knowing what to do and what not to do at this point is crucial. Feel free to give me a call at 303-444-7004 to discuss how we can best help you determine what to do next.

Cristy
Resource Coordinator
The Divorce Busting Center
303-444-7004
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 06/24/16 03:27 PM
Thank you. Thats why I haven't gone totally dark since the lack of communication was an issue she says. I also think she is trying to keep me engaged/interested. Can I call at any time?
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 06/25/16 07:56 AM
I am still waiting on my DR book....while the wife is out of town I have tried doing a 180...she seems to be responding by texting and calling me more often. I know she is still having an EA...I have kept all talks positive and acting like I am very happy. Is there anything more I can do at this point? She wants to text alot about herself and her family which is fine but I have tried to respond with short answers.
Posted By: Cadet Re: Newbie - 06/25/16 08:13 AM
Originally Posted By: hawker
Is there anything more I can do at this point?
Did you read all the homework?
Posted By: rd500 Re: Newbie - 06/25/16 08:20 AM
Just to echo Cadet , the homework he provided to you is priceless I'm not a vet by any means so just offering my support.

Post often as more people will support and advise you. This can be a long road so get into that homework

Take care. Rd
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 06/25/16 08:43 AM
I have read all the links you have sent me smile I will just let my actions speak for me at this point..
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 06/25/16 11:13 AM
Thank you, I am going to keep reading and posting! I value anyone's input! Thanks Cadet for all your links!!
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 06/28/16 02:43 PM
Just an update...the wife has been out of town with her family for most of June, she comes back tonight but will be in the rental place she moved into in May. I have stopped all initiating communication and this has caused her to text me more often it seems. I am keeping my answers short and keep focusing on her on not me. The thing is I am sure she is still texting her EA partner as well.
Keep on being patient?? I would go totally dark but lack of communication was our problem.
Thanks for the input!
P.S.
I got DR and read the infidelity chapter first and then read 1-5. Great info!
Posted By: RDS Re: Newbie - 06/28/16 03:01 PM
hawker, please don't take this the wrong way, but in some ways I would think you have and advantage over the rest of us. You being in a same sex marriage you would know how the female mind works. As a male I don't have that advantage, if you know what I mean. smile
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 06/28/16 03:14 PM
RDS,

Hahaha, I did not take that the wrong way....its hard for me to know what she is thinking because she is not the person I married at the moment and I would never think of having an affair. (She always used to say this as well though) If it were me I would be scared to lose the security of what we had but she is liking the thrill of the EA. I am continuing to GAL and have detached emotionally so I feel good about that, I have to continue living my life for me and not worry about what she is doing. In DR it says to remain patient if the other person is not wanting to work on the MR at this time....if that is what you want...
Posted By: RDS Re: Newbie - 06/28/16 03:35 PM
Originally Posted By: hawker
RDS,

Hahaha, I did not take that the wrong way....its hard for me to know what she is thinking because she is not the person I married at the moment and I would never think of having an affair. (She always used to say this as well though) If it were me I would be scared to lose the security of what we had but she is liking the thrill of the EA. I am continuing to GAL and have detached emotionally so I feel good about that, I have to continue living my life for me and not worry about what she is doing. In DR it says to remain patient if the other person is not wanting to work on the MR at this time....if that is what you want...


That is the part I have to keep telling myself. I try to take it day by day, but when I think this could take months I sometimes wonder if I have the strength to do that.
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 06/28/16 04:43 PM
I totally am with you on that RDS!!!!
Posted By: Cristy Re: Newbie - 07/12/16 09:42 AM
Originally Posted By: hawker
Thank you. Thats why I haven't gone totally dark since the lack of communication was an issue she says. I also think she is trying to keep me engaged/interested. Can I call at any time?


Hi Hawker,

How has your reading been going? I'm guessing you have received the DR book you ordered by now.

Yes, she is trying to keep you engaged/interested so she knows you are a viable plan B in case things with AP don't work out.

I'm here at Michele's office 8-5 mountain time most days.

Knowing what to do and what not to do at this point is crucial. Feel free to give me a call at 303-444-7004 to discuss how we can best help you determine what to do next.

Cristy
Resource Coordinator
The Divorce Busting Center
303-444-7004
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/18/16 03:38 PM
Oh hawker, your story breaks my heart. My situation was similar - together 9 years when all this started, and my W (we never actually married) had an emotional affair with a co-worker that turned physical. And that was a disaster. She regrets it completely. Feels humiliated and ashamed that she did it. Says it was a huge mistake. Is sincerely so, so sorry for the pain she caused. Went through depression, paranoia, loss of self-esteem, etc. And I nearly lost it when it all came down. Don't know how I even survived, but I did.

In my experience, they get bored and then along comes that mysterious other person who thinks they are just perfect! Often it's partly because that op is bored or lonely or something, and looking for someone to make them feel better. So they get together and start to talk about their woes. Oh, W and I just don't communicate anymore; there's no intimacy; we fight "all the time"; she's just so manipulative, narcissistic, selfish -- fill in the blank. It's all b.s. It's a way out that seems easy but is often much, much harder in the long run. They are unable to see because of the fog that the grass isn't greener on the other side... it's greener where you water it -- or where the sh*t is, if you like the fertilizer analogy!

The best thing I did, in addition to this forum, was find a divorce support group. I made so many friends through the group -- even found someone in that group who is an inspiration on here -- Pink -- and we became friends.

Figure out a way to GAL. Don't pressure her. Be kind. Don't go dark, but you can go dim because, gosh, you're just so busy with your exciting life that you can't always get back to her right away!

I wish you all the luck in the world. XO
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/18/16 03:48 PM
OMG NYGal, thank you so so much!!! This is exactly the situation I am in!!!! She says she feels so bad and just cries all the time and says one day she knows what she wants and one day she doesnt, all our friends and family love me, blah blah..

Yes she had a bit of low self-esteem and quit coaching which she did for years, her mother got sick and we had issues with my best friend (alcohol) that took alot of my time away...she started talking to a co-worker and boom....ugh...I hope the fog will wear off soon...lol...its been 6 months!!

I quit pressuring her and I told her I have to let you go....I'm going dimmer because I have that exciting life to live!!! :)))

Thanks again!!
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/18/16 04:05 PM
OMG, my W was a coach too... Are you kidding me?
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/18/16 04:12 PM
Hahah NO I am not kidding
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/18/16 07:27 PM
Which sport? College level?
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/18/16 08:36 PM
High School Girls Basketball
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/18/16 08:56 PM
Ok well there the similarities end.
W coached college WBB!
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/18/16 09:09 PM
Still pretty close!! smile
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/20/16 09:08 AM
How are things, hawker? Hang in there. I hope your W comes around, and I hope she does it before she digs a deeper hole. I wish I could have W talk to her. As coaches they speak the same language, and W is SO remorseful about the choices she made.

Don't let W think you are just waiting for her. Have fun, live it up, and do your crying in private, or with trusted friends who won't tell W.

Post on others' threads, so they'll find yours, and then the advice will come pouring in.

I hope Wonka finds you. She's family, and is a legend around here.
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/20/16 09:14 AM
Hey NYGal...I am hanging in there...I hope she comes around as well...I am trying to have fun and cry in private! smile Yes, I have read alot of Wonka's posts, she is a legend...thanks for checking in I appreciate your posts!!!

Yes, coaches have a special language...who knows if my W would listen now anyway though!! smile
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/20/16 03:27 PM
Hawk, you're still in "the early days" as we say. It takes a while for them to figure things out. It sounds like it could happen for you the same way it happened for me -- that you'll make it back together. She's in a fog for sure, and it takes a while for the fog to clear.
Don't be too available, and GAL. Be your beautiful, fun self whenever you're out and certainly whenever she might see you or hear about you. Are you on FB or some other social media?
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/20/16 03:41 PM
Well we will see...yes she is in a total fog...I will try to be patient...I won't be too available even though I stink at that haha....but I am getting out and doing stuff. Yes, I am on FB and have been sure to post the fun I am having hahaha....plus when school starts she will see me there a few times a week....thanks for the advice!
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/21/16 07:40 AM
Do you work at the same place? Another parallel if so... All three of us (me, W and ow) work at the same place. It's crazy. Luckily I rarely see ow. The last time I did, I swear, she stopped right outside the window I was facing to carry on a conversation with someone she was walking with. There was NO reason for them to stop right there. I am certain she just wanted to torment me. My hands were shaking for quite some time after that NYGal Smith on FB.

I am so optimistic that you will work things out, I really am.
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/21/16 08:04 AM
Well, I travel to several different schools, I go to my W's school twice a week for an hour a day...I have my own class there but if I have a student that goes into her class I check in with her or the other teacher. Yes the OW works at my W's school as well up in the office up front but my W is doing some Admin stuff upfront for 1 period so they see each other....I never have to see the OW so that is fine by me. Yes, we are parallel....we had also gone out with the OW and her W at the time before their A started to a football game...real nice...

I am glad you are optimistic...I am some days and then some days not smile
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/21/16 11:10 AM
Yeah, we entertained the ow (I never capitalize that awful nomenclature) at our home, and went out with her after a couple of WBB games. I considered her if not a friend, at least someone I was friendly with. Until she decided to see if she could take my W away! Have you talked to ow's W? Ugghh... it gets so complicated.
Would love to share more...
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/21/16 03:12 PM
Ya, I wasn't friends with her either but she hung out a few times....yes until she decided she wanted my W as well...No I have not talked to the OW's W because they got divorced in December....a month later her W and mine began the chatting.....

It is complicated...I would love to hear more!!!
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/22/16 11:05 AM
Oh great, so they are bonding over a troubled marriage. Blech. I'm sorry to hear that ow got divorced. Same for my sitch. ow left her long-term (13 years?) BOYfriend. Then there was all the bonding over how awful their respective partners were... and one thing led to another.
Would love to share more details.
I've become friends with many of the people who post or posted on here.
FB
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/22/16 11:35 AM
Tell me about it....blech....oh and the OW has a young child, throw that in the mix. I would like to hear more details smile. How do I find u? FB?
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/22/16 01:26 PM
Young children can be a tough addition to the mix. Does your W want a child?
She sure sounds confused, not at all like she's ready to jump into this thing with ow.

Yes, see what I wrote a few posts ago. I keep looking for the request.
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/22/16 01:31 PM
My wife has never wanted a child is what she always told me....ok I'll look at your old posts...
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/22/16 01:33 PM
I meant on here, above.
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/23/16 07:19 AM
So ny gal,
I did good yesterday keeping myself busy. Didn't even think about texting the W. Then at 6:30 pm she texted me about her mom.s health, her day and that she was going out with a guy friend to catch up....I waited and tried to keep answers short..... This is an area I need to work on!!! Lol
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/24/16 12:21 PM
Keep up the good work!
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/24/16 07:39 PM
Thanks NYGal...I spent the day at a pool party with friends...had a great time...no contact with W as of yet so I'm hanging in there! smile
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/26/16 12:57 PM
Keep posting so we know how you're doing, hawk!
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/26/16 02:22 PM
I am doing ok...I went all weekend without contact and yesterday I made the mistake of answering her texts because she kept asking questions about my family and our friends...ugh...back to going dim today!!

Is it normal for the WW to not want to talk with the friends who were hers first and then became mine? They have been friends since they grew up....they are all supporting me...that is probably why I would assume....
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 08:32 AM
NYgal...saw my W email to OW...they are planning a trip to an area we used to go....that is a kick in the gut....ugh...
Posted By: cheesyt Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 08:45 AM
OW?
I'm new here, all this lingo confuses me.

Why are you looking at her emails? this will only hurt you! You can do it!!!
I un-followed my W on Facebook, I refuse to look at her snaps, seeing who she's with and what she's doing only hurts!
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 08:58 AM
Oh darnit, that's not good. So she's still seeing her? Then I'd say go super dim. Don't give her the pleasure of your company. As long as this A is going on, you need to stay away so she misses you. Especially while she's away with her. Remember, my W went on vacay with ow to a tropical warm country in April, and while there she missed me. So let's keep our fingers crossed that she'll become disenchanted with ow when she realizes she's not as warm or loving or fun or honest or loyal or whatever as you.
BTW, how did you see the email?
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 09:08 AM
I know....ugh...ok, I will go super dim now....yes that is all I can hope for is that when they spend time together she will see its not like how we were...ummm..i snooped...LOL...I know you aren't supposed to but I wanted to see if they were still seeing each other...I guess I know...
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 09:16 AM
Clearte,

OW is other woman....I know I should not have looked at her email...I wanted to see if they were still carrying on the A
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 09:16 AM
I would have snooped, too. And I'd be really cold if I found that out. Is she denying that they are together?
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 09:18 AM
Yes, it makes me mad and it will be easier to stay away....I have not asked her about the OW...I thought we were not supposed to?
Posted By: cheesyt Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 09:20 AM
who uses email now a days when there's texting?!
In other news, I've looked back at NYGal and your posts.

NYGAL in some post you said don't be a doormat, or plan b. I'm struggling with finding a medium, I don't know how to stop being plan b. My W pulls me in when I begin to "dim" I have a SD and obviously I am helpful with her and stuff, my friend thinks by helping with her I'm being her doormat. But, I don't want to not help with my SD because I don't want OUR relationship to suffer. Help i need to not be a doormat or plan B.
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 10:03 AM
Us old folks use email, clearte.

The fact of the matter is, we are all plan B when they chose the OP or even another life when there is no OP. I came to realize that. Being plan B and being a doormat, however, are two different. Helping with your SD is helping your SD, not W, and it's helping preserve your relationship with SD. That's important.

The thing that happens on here is that sometime people think they have to be mean and inconsiderate and cold and a jerk, and that's what not being a doormat is. Read Divorce Remedy again and again. MWD does NOT talk about being a jerk. She talks about being nice! And about taking care of ourselves, and having a life, and setting some boundaries. Her message is NOT - and I can't stress this enough -- to be an a$$hole to our spouses!!! If you want to "win", be a jerk and you'll be able to be self-righteous. If you want your M, be the kind of person your spouse would be a fool to leave. That person is a good and a loving person -- even if sometimes the loving is given to ourselves.

I hope that makes sense. Re-read DR and talk to a coach.
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 10:50 AM
Yes, I don't want to be anyone's plan B or a doormat but I will still be considerate....but I need to make sure the set boundaries are not overstepped.
Posted By: cheesyt Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 11:24 AM
I read a thread between you two,
Question
what do I do when she temperature checks?
example, two days ago she texted asking if she could water the grass (I've always taken care of the yard, and still do)
example 2. she texted me to let me know she cleaned the cat's litter box. (yes, he's my cat but resides in the house) -is this a temp check? so many new words and stuff I'm learning!
My W does initiate contact when I am "dim" most of the day, or for more than a day.
Posted By: cheesyt Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 11:29 AM
I am most certainly not a jerk, but because I am kind and being the best Clearte I can be - am I being a doormat? my close friend seems to think so. This doormat thing's still foggy.

I do want to make sure if she does bring up D or permanent Separation that she leaves the best Clearte she's known.

A week or so ago she told me through tears she's proud of who I'm becoming, that she sees the Me she fell in love with but that she was still confused and wasn't sure we'd be reconciling. (In the beginning she told me she was sure we would not reconcile)

so many thoughts!
thanks for the responses!
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 11:43 AM
Yes she is temp checking u since she hasn't heard from you. She is using any excuse to keep you interested. I wouldn't even respond.
Posted By: cheesyt Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 02:14 PM
ahhh thanks! anything new on your end?
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 02:16 PM
She texted today but I was mad about the email so I stayed dim. She said she was having a bad emotional day.....hmmm could be cuz u are planning a trip with ur AP while still married??
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 02:18 PM
Clearte sometime friends want to see you happy and not get taken advantage of so that is probably why they say the doormat comment. Listen to people on here since we are all here for they same reason
Posted By: cheesyt Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 02:26 PM
AP?
good for you, i usually mentally reply...I would've mentally replied "then go talk to HER" and kept my big old mouth shut.

How do you do it? how do you not reply when you want to be there for her? that's my hardest thing.
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 02:51 PM
Affair Partner smile HAHAHAHA yes, I have to tell myself over and over in my head...you left, you cheated, you are still gone so.....
Posted By: cheesyt Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 03:02 PM
that's rough... good job!

pulled the list of abbreviations. haha perhaps I'll stop asking now smile
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 03:07 PM
Haha no worries! smile
Posted By: cheesyt Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 03:27 PM
do you still wear your ring?
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/27/16 03:39 PM
No....not unless I am not wanting to be bothered if I go out...
Posted By: maybs Re: Newbie - 07/28/16 07:24 AM
I've read your entire thread. And I'm very sorry both of your are here. I'm just starting down this path with my W as well. I will be following your posts smile
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/28/16 08:25 AM
Thanks Maybeep....I'm sorry you are here as well...I hope you are hanging in there! Listen to the vets on the board! smile
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/28/16 01:44 PM
A doormat is taken advantage of. A nice person does what she can do to help, on her own terms, and only as much as she wants to. And she probably doesn't do much while there is an AP.

Hawk, IDK what you should do, but I think it's important that W knows you know, and that she knows it's NOT OK with you. And by that I mean you can't ask her not to go on this trip with ow, or whatever it is, but you can say, you know what? As long as you're seeing her, I'm no longer interested in hearing about your day or what's up with you or if you are having a bad day. You're not there when I'm having a bad day, and in fact your A is causing my bad days. So I need some time alone right now to figure out what I want MY future to look like. I've got some choices I need to make.
Let's dome up with a strategy, ok? I'm not quite sure yet if this is the best strategy for you, but I'm thinking this is the direction you want to take. Otherwise, it sounds like you're just waiting in the wings and she knows it.
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/28/16 01:46 PM
And btw, if you want to see the dogs, I'll let you know when you can come by, because I don't want to see you right now.
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/28/16 02:04 PM
I agree NYGal...I know she knows I am waiting in the wings...ok, lets think of a strategy..haha...I have not done a good job of making her miss me so you are right about not hearing about her days.....I'll wait to hear from you to see if that is what I should do...maybe I should do the need time to figure out what choices I need to make....
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/28/16 02:04 PM
Yep, I agree with the dogs...if it works for me then I will let you come by
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/28/16 02:09 PM
I wouldn't know how to let her know without her knowing I read the email...lol...I don't even know when it is.....
Posted By: cheesyt Re: Newbie - 07/28/16 06:50 PM
NYGal, your strategy sounds pretty good.
It sounds like I need to take some notes!

My W temp checked me today. I think. I laugh at that term every time. all of a sudden I got a text "Hey, am I supposed to be watering the lawn?"

tomorrow is a new day. hope everyone made it one more day alright!
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/28/16 07:58 PM
Haha ya the texts are so random.
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/28/16 09:52 PM
I used to get the random temp checking texts and phone calls all the time and I must say it gave me great hope.
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/28/16 09:55 PM
You can always just say you know ow is still in her life and as long as that's the case you need to start making some decisions about your future. And don't be home when she comes to see the dogs. She has to miss you or what's the motivation to come home?
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/28/16 10:18 PM
Gotcha NYGal. That sounds perfect!!! Thank u!!
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/29/16 08:26 AM
I have a question while reading other people's sitch...the WW always seem to be mad at the LBS saying that they caused all of this....my W has never blamed me, she says it is all her fault, no one understands, she is so sorry...blah blah....is this just the guilt talking?
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/30/16 08:55 AM
Any input?
Posted By: maybs Re: Newbie - 07/30/16 09:11 AM
Originally Posted By: hawker
I have a question while reading other people's sitch...the WW always seem to be mad at the LBS saying that they caused all of this....my W has never blamed me, she says it is all her fault, no one understands, she is so sorry...blah blah....is this just the guilt talking?


I'm not sure. My W blames me for everything right now, even her feeling guilty and refuses to take any responsibility for any of this right now.

But I am curious to know what more experienced DBer's have to say about this...
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/30/16 09:19 AM
Yes me 2....she has always felt guilty...before I found out about the EA she was acting distant and angry though...maybe it was the whole "I got caught" and not sure what she wanted...idk
Posted By: NYGal Re: Newbie - 07/30/16 09:18 PM
No. It's true. She is confused and she will most likely come back to you if you follow DB to a tee. But watch out. If you take her back too easily she might lie and cheat all over again. That's been my experience the last 33 hours or so. It's awful. Beyond words
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/31/16 02:20 AM
Ughhhh I'm so sorry!!!!
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 07/31/16 09:54 AM
I haven't followed DB to a tee and I am wondering after what happened to you if the A needs to play out...but I might not be around when and if that ever happens....I'm gonna keep GAL and working on myself...went to cosmic bingo last night with friends...it was a good time, haven't been out that late in years...lol...Also listened to some Ted talks...Amy Cuddy...good stuff...
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 08/01/16 07:57 AM
Spent yesterday with friends all day long...it was a good day, went out to brunch and then dinner....its difficult to not have my W there since we used to do that all the time but it gets easier each time...gotta keep on keeping on....
Posted By: maybs Re: Newbie - 08/01/16 11:33 AM
I agree, at first it was extremely hard for me to do the things that W and I used to do together, but now it's a mild discomfort and after a few minutes I forget about it almost completely.

Good work!
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 08/01/16 12:45 PM
Thanks Maybeep...I actually did forget about it after awhile as well. smile Thanks for encouragement...I need to be like you and do a better job at the dim/dark though...ughhhhh
Posted By: maybs Re: Newbie - 08/01/16 01:29 PM
I won't lie it's extremely hard for me to stay dark. What helps me is: If I feel like I miss her and want to contact her and I think about the reason why I'm missing W, then I just remind myself that she's not that person right now.

Or, I try to remind myself of all the reasons I decided to go dark in the first place.

it helps, I mean it hurts in it's own way but it does help.
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 08/01/16 05:40 PM
Yes, she is not the person that I know right now...I need to keep telling myself that smile...NC today...thanks for the support!
Posted By: maybs Re: Newbie - 08/01/16 05:44 PM
Good job! One day at a time! You can do it smile
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 08/01/16 06:15 PM
Haha thanks!!!
Posted By: cheesyt Re: Newbie - 08/01/16 07:30 PM
keep up the good work! my W appeared for about a week or so, and made a great escape again today. harder than the first time.

keep going girls!
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 08/01/16 07:52 PM
Thanks C. One day at a time...I read ur post tonight sounds like ur W continues the confusion. Ughhh so frustrating!!!! U keep going 2!!
Posted By: cheesyt Re: Newbie - 08/01/16 08:16 PM
Yes, W's becoming a pro at confusing me, and I'm a pro at playing into it and letting it affect me. frown
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 08/01/16 08:34 PM
Well at least you recognize that and you can continue to work on it!!! 😀
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 08/02/16 07:26 PM
Went out with one of my friends for dinner...had a few beers...I am missing my W alot tonight..so I am on here so that I don't text her.....thanks for the support everyone!
Posted By: cheesyt Re: Newbie - 08/02/16 07:30 PM
I went with a friend to dinner and beers!

what type of beer you like?

I'll keep you some company.
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 08/02/16 07:31 PM
Hahaha...right now I am in the Corona Light mood....my summer beer smile
Posted By: cheesyt Re: Newbie - 08/02/16 07:33 PM
lol I forget we are spoiled here. where I live there's a lot of breweries and we generally drink local beers. I like sour beers, lagers, and most coffee stouts
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 08/02/16 07:38 PM
Well we have alot of brewery's as well but this place was close so I didn't want to drive to a brewery...haha...I like local light beers... smile no IPA!!!
Posted By: cheesyt Re: Newbie - 08/02/16 07:43 PM
nice, super dislike IPA's...too hoppy.

W just called. I'm lame. answered. she couldn't find her stethoscope. Why do i know where its at, and I don't even live there?

she proceeded to tell me how my conversation with D should go tomorrow. augh.
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 08/02/16 07:54 PM
Hahahahah you crack me up C....you are not lame you just love your W....I am sitting in front of the computer crying so, I'm lame...LOL
Posted By: cheesyt Re: Newbie - 08/02/16 07:56 PM
awww i'm sorry frown cyber hugs!

that'll be me later.

more cyber hugs
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 08/02/16 08:05 PM
Hahaha thanks for making me smile C (((C)))) That is a cyber hug... smile
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 08/02/16 08:08 PM
If anyone can get in touch with Wonka I have some questions on what I should do about stuff in the house...bills....NO...etc...
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 08/02/16 08:08 PM
Ooops not no, NC is what I meant to type...
Posted By: cheesyt Re: Newbie - 08/02/16 08:09 PM
hey, we've all been there, next time I'm down you can make me smile!

chin up, we're going to be okay!
Posted By: hawker Re: Newbie - 08/02/16 08:27 PM
hahah thanks C!!
Posted By: Cadet Re: Newbie - 08/02/16 10:23 PM
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