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Posted By: ReNewed LBS alone in new city, trying to 180 alone - 04/22/16 10:59 AM
Story:
Love at first sight 5.5 years ago. Prayed to met someone just like him, met next day. Friends said they'd meant to introduce us. Had amazing, fun romantic courtship. Prepared with priest and rabbi, big fun spiritual ceremony and celebration. Friends and family said it was best wedding ever and all around us have seen how we were meant to be.
Had financial difficulties from start. I was trying to reenter workforce, he was underemployed. Moved across country to my hometown (mistake), trouble getting work, had to live wiht my mother a year. I became discouraged, struggled off/on with PMS, depression, he was sole provider mostly. Got frustrated with each other, would squabble. Not seeking outside help, not much interaction with friends. Decided to go travel back to west coast housesitting to save $. Moved around a lot for assignments. Tension. He was working hard online all the time to get new skills, job. Found dream career last summer, landed dream job Feb. days before leaving. I was depressed d/t ailing parent with dementia, paranoia we were trying to deal with remotely. Had to move him (hoarding) last fall, was a nightmare for us. Tensions increased. Visited H family; MIL was upset with us/me, told me she didn't want him getting sick again (childhood illness/surgery), get any job (donut shop), we were in no shape to have kids, get our act together. I agreed and knew it was true and was planning and trying to get work online and once we returned to Canada. Took on housesitting assignemtn in OR for few months, fought about where to live (had agree to Canada, then he wanted to go wherever dream job was, I wanted to settle down in community). I was stubborn, unrealistic, pushy, bad PMS then trouble with my father, broke down crying. Was impatient, nagging. Feel terrible about that. He left one morning everything packed, ran off out of sight. I did wrong things-wrote long emails apologizing, recognizing all I had done wrong, no contact for 8 days til our 4 year ANNIVERSARY. Cold business like email asking to meet at Starbucks to discuss "moving forward amicably and efficiently as possible". I declined, for better or worse, b/c had no sleep, lost 10 lbs, was sick. Asked to meet with 3rd party-priest or counselor, he suggested mediator> We met and he told all kinds of rationalizations, no mention of good, regrets, that he didn't recognize red flags in self or me, bad decisinos to move around, shouldn't have married, etc. so hurtful. Then said he's done, had lawyer, proceeding with S and D. I was devasteated but didn't cry. He ran down sidewalk. No contact for weeks. I asked to meet to give him few clothes left behind, 'practical matters'. He had left me the car, wouldn't return to finsih housesit so I could go be with loved ones. was cold but we got to share some. I thought a little more intimate. He let us hug and pray. No contact again for 3 weeks. I had sent few texts saying good luck on business trip. Then email asking to meet with mediator discussing assets. I said i woudl after Easter Holiday. Then asked to meet with priest first. He said he would out respect for 'clarity'. We did 3 weeks ago, he was very adamant about ending it all, no "glimmer of hope", sorry he "wasted 6 years of your life", that we "didn't really date" (aka lies, rewriting history, erasing all good). He had blocked me on Facebook, Skype, everything, put "separated' the day he left without discussing, canceled my credit cards (he was primary cardholder), lost my airline miles/rewards, withdrew most of $ from joint account (until his L made put half back), didn't ask if I was ok, where living. I had NO JOB, no home, knew almost no one in this new city. He is living somewhere, has 2 jobs (one new dream one), 'new friends', hiking, going to gym etc. I have had little energy and tried to make myself do all I can, 180; exercise (I always was very active, trouble now), calling friends, DB coaching, journaling, prayer all the time, networking and interviewing for jobs esp. in last month hard, facing rejection on jobs, moving from temp place to place to stay. Visited friends out of town a week, helped but empty, struggling w/ despair. He wants to meet with mediator again for assets but he didn't understand my email stating I was available this week so never scheduled it; now not for 2 weeks, AFTER I have to filed a 'response' to his lawyer's separation papers served. By that time, they will know I am not settling agreeing to terms, and my L says meeting with mediator will be unncessary since I won't agree.
Should I wait til last minute to file? Trying to reschedule mediator for BEFORE his L and court get filed. Otherwise I have no face time or meetings.
I feel so discourage b/c of his consulting with family, secular counselor, and ?? behind my back, his cold uncaring treatment (?), and lack of contact. I am tryign so hard to do 180 and be "whole" fulfilled happy woman but I am miserable and nightmares every night. I go to counselor, priest, friends, interviews, gym but struggling very hard.
It was his birthday Tuesday. I didn't do anything-no text, nothing. His mother's whom I adore yesterday-also did nothing. Good idea?
I could'nt get a DB coach this week or for another week so am in the dark. I am going dark I guess. Part of me wants to run but I don't have somewhere to go really, to protect myself from the pain.
I have no idea where he is; won't say even what part of city he's in (somewhere local). seems odd. Afraid of emotional response? I wuold'nt even go near him anyways, but wondered why. He has history fo internet porn addiction . Didn't see any signs or of infidelity that i know of. No clue.
All insight, advice welcome.
Thankyou
J

M: 4 y
together: 5.5
Me: 37, H: 36, no kids frown no house
Posted By: Cadet Re: LBS alone in new city, trying to 180 alone - 04/22/16 11:01 AM
Welcome to the board

Sorry you are here but you will meet some wonderful people here and get some great advice.

The first thing you should do is be sure to read the Divorce Remedy (DR) book by MWD
http://www.mcssl.com/store/mwdtc2014/
http://divorcebusting.com/sample_book_chapters.htm

and Michele's articles
http://www.divorcebusting.com/articles.htm

You may be on moderation now, post in small frequent replies and stay on this thread until you reach 100 posts
(for your thread, you can also post on other peoples threads to give support).
Especially on this Newcomers forum, where the posting activity is very active,
and your posts can quickly fall to the bottom of the page or even several pages down.
Keep journaling and asking questions - people will come!
Most important - POST!

Get out and Get a Life (GAL).

DETACH.


Believe none of what he or she says and half of what he/she does.

Have NO EXPECTATIONS.

Take care of yourself, breathe, eat, sleep, exercise.

Take the parts of this advice that you need and don't worry if I have repeated something that you have already done.

Here are a few links to threads that will help you immensely:

I would start with Sandi's Rules
A list of dos and don'ts for the LBS (left behind spouse)
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2553072#Post2553072

Going Dark
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=50956#Post5095

Detachment thread
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2538414#Post2538414

Validation Cheat Sheet: Techniques and tips on how to validate (showing your walk away spouse (WAS) that you recognize and accept his or her opinions as valid, even if you do not agree with them)
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2457566#Post2457566

Boundaries Cheat Sheet
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2536096#Post2536096

Abbreviations
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2553153#Post2553153

For Newcomer LBH with a Wayward Wife by sandi2
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2545554#Post2545554

Resource thread
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubb...224#Post2578224

Stages of the LBS
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1964990&page=1

Validation
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=191764#Post191764

Pursuit and Distance
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2483574#Post2483574

The Lighthouse Story
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2484619#Post2484619

Your H or W is giving you a GIFT.
THE GIFT OF TIME.
USE it wisely.

Knowledge is Power - Sir Francis Bacon
Hi ReNewed. I am so sorry that you are in this situation. I don't have a lot of insight to offer you right now, but I would like to try to give you a message that I just finally understood after being a full 4.5 months into my own marriage mess.

Try to be kind and gently to yourself. The single most important person in your life now is YOU, and you need to take care of her.

Keep posting, and you will find people here that will provide support and information, and will lend you their ears.
Thank you
Posted By: JksD Re: LBS alone in new city, trying to 180 alone - 04/22/16 04:03 PM
((Renewed))

Sorry you are here. How are you taking care of yourself? You sound like you're in a tough sitch. Please take care of yourself first. At this poibt in time, I think you'll have to be a little selfish and maybe let other things slide for a while.

Wrt To your parent, are there other siblings to help out? Do you have any friebds you can lean on?
ReNewed, oh my, I am so sorry you are here. What an unthinkable way to treat another person, and your own W, it so sickening. It is so devastating and hard to even wrap your mind around. I just wanted to offer you my support and tell you that it will not be this way forever. Unfortunately, it can be a long and difficult process. So as Phoebe says, take good care of yourself. You are the most important one.

I was there just a few short years ago. My H did a 180 and turned my life upside. I was scared, anxious, depressed, and completely blind-sighted. I never saw it coming. And while he is back now, I am still recovering from the trauma a year later. You mention that you have not seen signs of infidelity, but I want to just caution you that your sitch very much suggests he has run off to someone else. I know that is the last thing you want to hear, but I just want to caution you that there is that possibility. Read the other posters, see the similarities, and always trust your gut.

Keep posting here. Keep reading. Let those that you trust support you. Deep breathe. You will get through this. No one can break you, and you one day will find that strong and confident self again.
Hi Bluwave, thank you for validating, sometimes like today crying and crying I think of how I treated him, took him for granted, and leaned on him so much while not taking thingsn seriously myself, I feel I brought in aka "created the monster" myself and feel terribly guilty/sorry. I have tried apologizing and would NEVER want that unhealthy way in our relationship.
How did it turn around for you, if I might ask? How long? Whta signs woudl I look for for IF? I have no idea. It coudl be online, he works online a lot, but also met new friends (we just arrived knowing basically no one). So it's possible; but as a recent christian with a deep good conscience, I know it couldn't last. H'e's way too good of a man if that were the case. He has gone to confession as well befor adn we recently met with a priest who offered to meet us individually, and he seeemed comfortable with him, so hopefully he might pursue that once he is at that point.
I just don't know how he can go without any contact, erasing all photos, blocking, knowing I'm struggling, with no outward concern or compunction. Knowing him, unless he's being heavily influence by other family/people/counselor, it's pretty hard to believe he himself could be at peace with it. He's too good of a person.

JksD, my parents have their issues I struggled with gorwing up, they are not in a place to help at all $ or much emotionally, it's actually more stressful being there, so I cannot jsut move back, and don't have much supprot there either. Friends are avail by phone in other states, which is literally my lifeline, but so hard being physically alone day after day. i miss hugging, holding (always a good one for uss), holding hands, gentle touch, cooking, hiking, laughing, all of it. And his family, like crazy.

Thank you so much
Posted By: JksD Re: LBS alone in new city, trying to 180 alone - 04/23/16 08:43 AM
Renewed, I feel you on the part about not having much family support.

I understand the loneliness part too, especially when kid is not with me. I seek solace on the board, meet with friends or just get out of the house.

What can you do for yourself when the pangs hit you? Good to have a list so that when things get really lonely, you'll have something to occupy your thoughts with.

Regarding the no-contact, I am guessing that it's the guilt. The sight of you will remind him of what he has done and he may be struggling with his decisions.

Xh always has difficulty looking me in the eye after BD, but he keeps looking at me when I interact with kid. I can see the struggle andvthe guiktbsome times.

These spouses have been abducted by aliens and until they start coming out of the fog, we are their enemies and the bane of their existence.
Posted By: LiM Re: LBS alone in new city, trying to 180 alone - 04/23/16 10:01 AM
So sorry Renewed,

This is awful. I know the despair you are experiencing. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Unfortunately, right now, he's not giving you anything to work with. He's checked out of your M. As much as it hurts, you're just going to have to accept that. He's gone. This will hurt and there is no way to get around it but you are going to have to let him go. Right now, you are clinging to him and that is not going to bring him back. All it is going to do is prolong your pain and suffering. First step? Detach. It is imperative that you are able to do this. By emotionally detaching from him, you will be able to begin caring for yourself. Spend this time working on you and your issues. We all have issues and things we need to address in our lives. So put your focus there. Get the book and read it. Follow the process. Its counter intuitive but it works. Turn your sights inward and make YOU the priority in your life.
There is hope for your M. Give him time and space. Work on YOU. There will come a time again when you will interact with him in person. When you do, he will see the NEW you. A confident woman that loves herself and who is working on her issues. This will be attractive to him. It will confuse him. It may make him angry. So him how awesome you are. Remind him of the Renewed he fell in love with and that he will be missing out on if he continues to walk away from your life together.
Thank you lim. So so hard. But trying. Appreciate the words of hope and encouragement

So H behavior is common? All the things he's doing and not doing?
And doesn't mean all is lost?

I am filing my "response" this week at end of the 30 day required period so doesn't go to default. It's avery easy liberal state to end it all and he has consorted with his l uncle and who knows who else. Feel so betrayed. I'm concenred when I file, which says I don't agree with d and don't agree with terms and want counseling (and my L included life insuracne?? I don't know why and spousal support, which I very very begrudgingly accepted only out of absolute necessity as I search for more than minimum wage jobs). Afraid this will tick him and his family off since he was resentful of carrying me emotionally and financially all our marraige. I regret that. Getting a great paying job suddenly in new city with no real socail support during this crisis is grueling
Posted By: ReNewed Lbs with history of depression, tips, hope? - 04/23/16 12:41 PM
Hi,
I have had issues with pms self esteem and was gradually getting more frustrated and impatient generally, with our M, and I realized with me. Was having stress dealing with very demanding parent (dysfunctional childhood with him) which was right before wah left. We were new in town supposeldy for a few months and I was having pms and feeling very isolated and down.

He literally ran out the door one morning unexpectedly said he's been thinking about it a while. Later revealed he hasn't been up front as he was afraid of conflict and confronting me that I would get upset and apologized for that but it dead set on ending it all

I am very ashamed humiliated and feel he sees me as a hopeless mess, no career prospects, and leaning too heavily oh him. He has consulted iwht family and his new counselor since few months before he left, who specializes in male issues.

What is recommended besides C dealing with the esteem GaL tryihg to act as if I'm super happy? I don't want him to look down and pity me or see me as invaluable or a train wreck. It is very difficult not to go deeper into despair and low self esteem when feeling like I've lost the most precious gift and best friend of my life. And his amazing family, the dream loving healhty family I always longed for. I am literally crushed.

I don't want to be thrown away like garbage and that I am some kind of mess. I am doing all I can but Compeltely on my own in new city, looking for a place to live (bad housing market for rentals ), new work, and a life. It's awful
Posted By: LiM Re: LBS alone in new city, trying to 180 alone - 04/23/16 02:37 PM
Follow your lawyers advice and do what you can to protect yourself. You can't be worried about what he or his family thinks.

As far as his behavior? Who knows. Everyone is different. He appears to fit the definition of a WAS so I would pay attention when the book or people on the forum talk about that.
Is there any reason at all to think that there might be an A? It doesn't sound like it based on your story.
Even though you feel that way, all hope is certainly NOT lost. But that doesn't mean this will be easy or quick to repair. You need to accept that he is already gone and readjust your focus on taking care of yourself. Detach and work on your issues. That is what will give you the best shot at getting him back into the M.
In my case, I ended up filing for D after discovering that my W's A was still going on. As it turns out, that was the catalyst for turning things around. But when I filed, it wasn't to shock her out of the fog, it was because I had truly detached and was willing to go on with my life without her. I made it very clear to her that I would not stay M to her if that's how she wanted to live her life. I told her I was done. What she has seen in me over the past few months is a very different person than I've been for the first 20+ years of our relationship. I am strong and confident but loving and kind. The new me is what she is coming back to.
Posted By: LandC Re: LBS alone in new city, trying to 180 alone - 04/23/16 04:19 PM
Hi ReNewed,
Wow, sounds really really hard for you right now.
i can relate to so many things you said - I don't know much about you but from everything I've read, do you think perhaps you have codependent behavior patterns? I sure do and realizing this has been very helpful for me since my husband moved out 2 weeks ago...some of our issues relating to me not making enough money were making life stressful. Worth thinking about as part of the pattern is giving power to others - making them, the husband center of our world. When people say 'take good care of yourself' it can feel like - what the heck does that even mean?
Sounds like you have a strong spiritual practice and that can definitely help you now....Have you heard of Marianne Williamson? She is AMAZING...google her and watch some of her videos - she is a spiritual teacher who teaches based on A Course in Miracles.

In terms of jobs, think about the lhf idea - that's low hanging fruit...easiest least stressful thing to bring in money...maybe where it won't matter if you cry - like cleaning hotel rooms ???
thinking of you!
Posted By: LandC Re: LBS alone in new city, trying to 180 alone - 04/23/16 04:24 PM
Hi ReNewed,
Wow, sounds really really hard for you right now.
i can relate to so many things you said - I don't know much about you but from everything I've read, do you think perhaps you have codependent behavior patterns? I sure do and realizing this has been very helpful for me since my husband moved out 2 weeks ago...some of our issues relating to me not making enough money were making life stressful. Worth thinking about as part of the pattern is giving power to others - making them, the husband center of our world. When people say 'take good care of yourself' it can feel like - what the heck does that even mean?
Sounds like you have a strong spiritual practice and that can definitely help you now....Have you heard of Marianne Williamson? She is AMAZING...google her and watch some of her videos - she is a spiritual teacher who teaches based on A Course in Miracles.
In terms of jobs, think about the lhf idea - that's low hanging fruit...easiest least stressful thing to bring in money...maybe where it won't matter if you cry - like cleaning hotel rooms ???
thinking of you!
Posted By: LandC Re: LBS alone in new city, trying to 180 alone - 04/23/16 04:24 PM
ooops posted 3 x!
Posted By: JksD Re: LBS alone in new city, trying to 180 alone - 04/23/16 06:58 PM
Renewed, wrt to life insurance, this is so that in lieu of spousal support, you will get insurance payputs should anything happen to your H.
landc, yes, there were def. elements of codependenc and emotional immaturity on both our parts, even as ntoed by priest during a meeting.

Going for what I can-thanks for encouragement smile
Thanks for the tips and example. Def working on the confidence but loving, kind, high road part. Balancing act between bouts of grief/anger. Turning to God prayer and friends, activity journaling and rereading the book helps

I cannot myself file for D-have made it claer I don't agree or bleieve in that but I can see and gald it worked for you!!
Originally Posted By: ReNewed
Hi,
I have had issues with pms self esteem and was gradually getting more frustrated and impatient generally, with our M, and I realized with me. Was having stress dealing with very demanding parent (dysfunctional childhood with him) which was right before wah left. We were new in town supposeldy for a few months and I was having pms and feeling very isolated and down.

He literally ran out the door one morning unexpectedly said he's been thinking about it a while. Later revealed he hasn't been up front as he was afraid of conflict and confronting me that I would get upset and apologized for that but it dead set on ending it all

I am very ashamed humiliated and feel he sees me as a hopeless mess, no career prospects, and leaning too heavily oh him. He has consulted iwht family and his new counselor since few months before he left, who specializes in male issues.

What is recommended besides C dealing with the esteem GaL tryihg to act as if I'm super happy? I don't want him to look down and pity me or see me as invaluable or a train wreck. It is very difficult not to go deeper into despair and low self esteem when feeling like I've lost the most precious gift and best friend of my life. And his amazing family, the dream loving healhty family I always longed for. I am literally crushed.

I don't want to be thrown away like garbage and that I am some kind of mess. I am doing all I can but Compeltely on my own in new city, looking for a place to live (bad housing market for rentals ), new work, and a life. It's awful



Take your focus off of him and put it on Yourself.

We have all felt the same way as YOU and with the wonderful GIFT of TIME and continuing to MOVE FORWARD with your life you will start to feel better.

TRUST the PROCESS

Edit - Threads merged
Posted By: LiM Re: Lbs with history of depression, tips, hope? - 04/24/16 07:16 AM
Renewed,

It seems to me that you are very depressed. And that's understandable given your situation. I know it feels hopeless. Its not but that doesn't change how you feel.
Are you able to go to a doctor and see about getting put on an anti depressant? There is no shame in that.
Its fine if you don't want to file for D. You have to do what you feel is best for you. If he is just a WAS, I don't think that filing would do you any good. Time and patience is what is needed here. Time for him to think about his needs and wants and to work on himself. And most importantly, time for you to work on yourself.
Its a horrible feeling but you do have a tremendous opportunity. You have the chance to reflect on your life and what you can do to make it better. Not for him or to bring him back but to make yourself a better person. To learn to be confident in yourself; to love yourself. Doing these things are what will increase the chances of you being able to save your M.
THanks so much! yes I have struggled with depression, it comes and goes. I took Rx for years, didn't really work, and caused side effects. Withdrawal was even worse and lasted over a year. I do alternative treatments and am working with a new holistic care team. Some days are much harder than others of course; especially weekends, no?

Thanks again. trying to become best godly woman/wife and version of myself I can
Originally Posted By: ReNewed
Hi Bluwave, thank you for validating, sometimes like today crying and crying I think of how I treated him, took him for granted, and leaned on him so much while not taking thingsn seriously myself, I feel I brought in aka "created the monster" myself and feel terribly guilty/sorry. I have tried apologizing and would NEVER want that unhealthy way in our relationship.
How did it turn around for you, if I might ask? How long? Whta signs woudl I look for for IF? I have no idea. It coudl be online, he works online a lot, but also met new friends (we just arrived knowing basically no one). So it's possible; but as a recent christian with a deep good conscience, I know it couldn't last. H'e's way too good of a man if that were the case. He has gone to confession as well befor adn we recently met with a priest who offered to meet us individually, and he seeemed comfortable with him, so hopefully he might pursue that once he is at that point.
I just don't know how he can go without any contact, erasing all photos, blocking, knowing I'm struggling, with no outward concern or compunction. Knowing him, unless he's being heavily influence by other family/people/counselor, it's pretty hard to believe he himself could be at peace with it. He's too good of a person.

JksD, my parents have their issues I struggled with gorwing up, they are not in a place to help at all $ or much emotionally, it's actually more stressful being there, so I cannot jsut move back, and don't have much supprot there either. Friends are avail by phone in other states, which is literally my lifeline, but so hard being physically alone day after day. i miss hugging, holding (always a good one for uss), holding hands, gentle touch, cooking, hiking, laughing, all of it. And his family, like crazy.

Thank you so much


ReNewed, oh sweetie, you are much too hard on yourself! You are not in any way, shape, or form responsible for your H's actions! You are never responsible for someone else's actions--that is codependent thinking and not healthy! He is his own person and 100% responsible for the way he handles his choices. In any R, there are 2 people, and all people make mistakes or have hardships! And in any M, it is the responsibility of each partner to communicate what they feel, what they need, and to let their spouse know what isn't working for them. That was his responsibility to you as a H and he has failed at that. To pick up and walk out on your partner, and then to cut off all ties, is neglectful and emotionally abusive! So you CANNOT blame yourself.

You are getting some very good advice here. You are in crisis mode and so it can be hard to swallow right now. Trust the vets and those that have come out on the other side of this; you cannot control or manipulate H. You cannot mind read what he is doing and why. You can only control you and your actions. And YOU are the most important person in YOUR life. You have to learn to care for yourself, treat yourself with kindness, and start to move forward without H. He may at some point notice and come back or he may not. If he does not, trust me, you DO NOT want him. You deserve better than this!

How did things turn around for me? It took a very long time. H had an EA for 6-12 mos, he left me for about 1 year, and during that year his EA went to a full blown R, and he turned our life & family upside down! We had to interact often because we have kids. There were several signs of guilt/regret throughout that year, and I tried to mind read, but I can tell you now that that never works! Some signs--him trying to talk to me, puppy dog eyes, nice emails, offering to do things for me, trying to help more at the house or with kids, and him telling me he was scared. There were times I thought he wanted to come back, and only some of the time I was right. Other times he was just feeling guilty, sad, and confused. He was in a fog and not thinking clearly most of the time. You cannot read into H's words, actions, or texts.

When H was ready to come back to be, it was different and I knew without a doubt. He did a 180 and it happened fast, in 1-2 weeks. He was remorseful, he was transparent, and he was 100% committed to doing whatever it took to make the marriage work. If your spouse is coming back to you, you will just know. In the mean time, trying to mind read only causes further stress and wasted energy. You are better than that.

So let him go. I know that is so hard and not what you want to hear. Torturing yourself and blaming yourself will not bring him back. And you deserve better than that. Learn to self love, take the steps you need to find your happiness and confidence, and you take all the time you need. If H doesn't notice over time and come back, then someone better will. These things have a way of working themselves out over time.

Ironically, H has done you a favor. You didn't like how you treated him or who you were when you were with him. Do you really want to go back to that life? Now is your chance stand up tall, think about what you want in life, and learn to be the best person you can be.

-Blu
WAH left 3 mo ago, has been adamant in course to D when he can legally July. Met with mediator again last week, we ended up talking about the 'real' issues' vs. asset crap, she recognized it's not her field and waste of our $ to talk there, he emailed later saying he doesn't want to return to mediation and thinks therapy more appropriate-didn't know he meant each of us on our OWN. I replied suggesting we meet with my counselor-he misunderstood, thought I meant for marraige counseling (already vehemnetly refused)
My counselor can't even see us as a couple, but I need to clairfy that it was intended as a facilitated meeting to discuss the 'real' issues before signing away cars, closing bakn account. I got email from him stating "i WILL NOT go to couples counseling, our marriage is over and I have nothing to discuss with you in therapy."

i feel completely disrespected (as I did him unknowingly for years) and uncomfortalbe in his presence, as he's become cold and cruel; I also don't know if I can trust him. I am torn between being "collaborative and cooperative" and sticking up for myself/respect and slowing things down. He just wants to hurry this up. NO IDEA if there in affair, don't care either. Here's my response. He wnats to meet on a certain day next week. I cannot wait for DB phone coaching appt as it's so time sensitive. Feedback greatly appreciated:

"I want to acknowledge that I had understood previously your decision to not pursue marriage counseling together, so I wanted to clarify my last email. Given our discussion at the mediation session, as Linda mentioned, it seemed fitting to continue the conversation with a counselor or similar professional. Thus I suggested my counselor because he can serve as a facilitator for honest, open, respectful conversation that has been pending since December and perhaps longer. It was not intended as the start of couples therapy; in his particular practice, he is not actually professionally able to do that since I've been his client for individual counseling.

I am not available on that date, and at this time, I am not comfortable meeting about the material issues in trust before addressing the deeper issues respectfully. Thank you for respecting the confidentiality of this email."
Thank you. I've read most of those good posts.

Somehow all my other previous posts are missing, were these deleted and if so, why?
Originally Posted By: ReNewed
Thank you. I've read most of those good posts.

Somehow all my other previous posts are missing, were these deleted and if so, why?


OK did not realize you posted before, merged your threads in with previous newcomers thread.

Also you have this thread in the MLC forum
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubb...560#Post2671560
Are you wanting feedback as to if you should send that email or if you should just make some changes?

My initial sense is that there is too much in there. It seems he has you backed you in a corner and you feel you need to explain yourself. You do not. As you stated, he is cold and cruel now, and so I am not sure he will even be able to hear your message. He is defensive and has his guard up.

You are understandably very fragile right now and I don't want him to use your vulnerability against you. I think right now less is more. I know you are feeling like you need to explain yourself, but I think since you are on the fence about what to say, then simply excuse yourself from the meeting. You are not available to meet then and that is it for now. Do not let him pressure you, intimidate you, or force you to rush into any decisions! Keep your chin up.

When you say that you need to discuss "deeper" issues first, what does that mean? It sounds as if you are needing to build trust and some sort of cordial R before settling on D, is that what you mean? If so, I completely understand how you feel. Unfortunately, people often have to come to settlements and agreements, even with all the stress and hard feelings lingering.

Hang in there!
-Blu
Blu
Thanks so much for responding. It's great to have feedback and connection in this storm.

I suppose by explanation, I mean that I want to convey that I heard him not wanting to do marriage counseling, which he seemed to think I intended. I feel like I Have to acknowledge and gently clarify since that would be pushing and not respecting his boundaries.

other than that, no other explaining woudl help right now I suppose.

I may go ahead and say I am not available on that date and leave it at that. Have to speka with my atty first anyways. It is hard to trust him about the practical actions he wants to do on our own now (determine amoutn for the 'spousal support'-which i DONT want psychologically and he said he does NOT want to provide, only out of deference to the law). Also, I have to find out from legal if sign away and completel all the tasks about car titles, etc., then can the trial date still remain? the only purpose is to 'buy time' while I DB, not to pay for a court trial, as he thinks it means. But I am not to explain that I think.

Cadet, thank you for assisting with the previous posts.
Yes-any feedback about the email content and whether to send it is greatly appreciated.

I am tryign to be so careful about every single communication since email is the only way I have contact at this point.
I have not replied to his email of last week yet becuase I want to be very careful and was so upset about it. I nkow the delay upsets him, but I figured that didn't outweight potentially upsetting him more with my response.


"I want to acknowledge that I had understood previously your decision to not pursue marriage counseling together, so I wanted to clarify my last email. Given our discussion at the mediation session, as Linda mentioned, it seemed fitting to continue the conversation with a counselor or similar professional. Thus I suggested my counselor because he can serve as a facilitator for honest, open, respectful conversation that has been pending since December and perhaps longer. It was not intended as the start of couples therapy; in his particular practice, he is not actually professionally able to do that since I've been his client for individual counseling.

I am not available on that date, and at this time, I am not comfortable meeting about the material issues in trust before addressing the deeper issues respectfully. Thank you for respecting the confidentiality of this email."

Hi Renewed, this sounds rather like a business email. I think there is too much of it and the tone is formal.

So you want to tell him you understand about the MC and that you aren't available on the proposed date.

How about this - Hi H, I understand what you're saying and that you don't want to go to marriage counselling. I can't make the date you suggested, so can we try for something the following week please?

Take care, Renewed.
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