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Originally Posted by DonH
That was a bit harsh. I'm not sure I'm bitter and jaded then again after as many years as I've had without finding a quality R I may have a right to be. Yet I'm still nowhere near joining a monistary. It's not like I've not had dates or sex during this time just not a fulfilling LTR with a quality woman.

That was a bit harsh Don I do apologize. I felt you were poking at me and you know now I can get defensive lol. You have to admit though you are a tad jaded. Maybe I will be though if it doesn't work out for me in the future?

Originally Posted by DonH
Perhaps that was not the defensive retort I took it as but what I really question is why you seem to take comments about or against the coach personally? None of us are saying these things about you. It's almost as if you really secretly are the coach and we are bashing your book. It's not the case. Just because we question him should have no bearing on you - but it really seems to. Why?

Honestly I don't know why. Again I came across his work when I was looking for guidance. My life wasn't working for me at the time. It started me on my path of self improvement. Plus I think I should have been a lawyer because I am a fact based guy. Again for an example you and G say the book is filled with information that is obvious. I know you both posted on Ballast's thread so you know first hand it is obviously not obvious lol. Just like DB you would think it is obvious not to pursue a woman who has dumped you and is cheating on you. Again obvious right?

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And I don't know how to say this and not have it sound like a cheap shot and it's really not but not telling us how all of your dates have gone is a great way to not have to at least consider the coaches teachings are not working that well for you either.

Don roughly 12 OLD dates since my D. Not interested in a second date 11 times. 1 time I was she wouldn't continue dating me unless I stopped talking to other women. 3 non OLD hookups with no interest both ways for it to be anything more. I am looking for the unicorn myself and I am trying not to hurt anyone in the process. Not really much to expand upon. I have some Jerry Seinfeld in me I didn't want a second date with a woman who had bigger traps then me.

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Originally Posted by JujuB
Rex - and LIH, you both like to talk all this red pill reddit - alpha male stuff...

I really don't appreciate being lumped in the same category as Rex (No offense buddy) he once compared woman to prey.

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Take a scenario you have a wife who pretty much sacrificed so the husband could build his career. She wroks part time as say, a receptionist. Now the couple divorces and they have the kids 50/50. The kids should live on barely nothing at moms and live the life at dad's? No, that isn't fair. The friend who doesn't have his kids equally but travels and obviously makes big bucks. I am sure the wife sacrificed there so he could travel and make the big bucks. Hell yeah, the kids should have a Mercedes at mom's house too! The ex wife should be too! I am sure without her sacrifice, he wouldn't be making those big bucks. The kids shouldn't be living way below the means of dad's house at mom's house. I have friends who raised their kids while the men built their careers. The men admit they wouldn't have gotten to where they were today without their wife's support when they were out at late night client dinners or travelling on business or working 12 hour days. They deserve equality when they split.


Why is it the woman who made the sacrifice?

My XW told me it was her lifelong dream to be able to stay home for the 10 year period while her kids were in their pre-school years. She didn't think it would be possible because she figured she'd have to provide for them. I was already making the income when we met I am making now, so I told her I'd provide so she could stay home with the kids.

So for 10 years I worked my a$$ off, and I saw my children much less while they were growing up, so she could not punch a clock and spend her full life with the kids during their formative years, which is what she dreamed of doing. Was I not the one making the sacrifice of working hard and not being able to be as close to my kids? Why am I not being compensated for the loss of those irreplaceable years and the endless hours I put in?

Of course as soon as the youngest was in school XW found another man and filed for divorce, and yes, while I have 50% parental time, I have had to pay so much it crippled my lifestyle without impacting hers. I worked double time for 10 years to grant her wish, and so to be fair I have to continue to work double time, along with losing my home and wiping out my retirement for legal fees.

Now look, the kids have gotta eat at both parents' houses and they need both parents in their life. But the pendulum has swung pretty far when this is the social narrative. That's what red pill means to me. I'm not bitter, I've never been better. It's just not that complicated. I don't gamble at the casino because I understand for every $100 I bet I win back only $97, it is a bad game for the players. That doesn't make me bitter at the casino. I'd just rather stick to online chess...



Unfortunatly we dont know what the future brings. It sounds like having 1 stable parent home with the kids (does not matter if its male or female) is better for the CHILDREN. 3 kids in childcare in my neck of the woods would cost more then what a salary would bring home. 8 years ago, i think it was 1300 a kid and thats if you have the luxury of a 9 to 5 job. So at the time it was not a practical solution. You dont know who is watching your kid either. Abuse is a real issue in daycare (especislly with kids that have sensory issues, adhd, autism). Constant love and holding of infants is ideal and in our evolution as well.

Right before my ex left, and i was doing my best to DB amd be agreeable, he put all this pressure on me to go back to work full time. (My son was receiving 2 hours worth special services in a preschool and was 2 or 3 at the time) I brought up those same points above. He told me to figure it out. Everyone else does. HE PUT THE BEST INTERESTS OF HIS OWN SON BEHIND HIS OWN - which was to set up a legal situation that was to his advantage. I will always be repulsed by him for that. Absolutely disgusting. And i am proud of myself for always insiting on my sons best interests and not ever once putting a mans wishes in front of his best interests.

Point being it should be about whats best for the children and family dynamic.
I loved working part time. Being home with kids is harder then working. Leaving the house to go to work often felt like a vacation to me because its so much easier. If my ex had decreased his work so i could increase mine we would have been more equal in things like 401ks amd pensions (especially since the money my ex was earning was getting pulled from atms in bad neighborhoods and not being spent on the family)

Now you and i had extremes in bad luck and legal choices on each side. The male provider got screwed, in my case female that stayed home/worked part time and wanted to do waht was best for her child is at a financial disadvantage.


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This thread just keeps getting more interesting. Getting vasectomies for the off chance some crazy woman steals your sperm from a condom and inseminates themselves..... good lord. I hope that is a joke.


Isn't it the NBA that teaches new players to flush or pocket condoms for later disposal because of the crazies impregnating themselves?

Sh!tty people do sh!tty things regardless of their sex.


True but what about the regular Joe smoe who wasnt aware that women actually pull this stuff. If a man pokes holes in his condom the woman can still abort. If a woman pokes holes in his condom he cant force her to abort. Or if she lies and tells him she is on the pill when she really isnt.



Thats why its in ones benefit to make the effort on a higher quality female. Shes not looking to do sonething like that. And the pick up strategies you are advising are geared for low quality females amd will not work on the type of female with a medical degree that doesnt throw herself on a guy. Thats the point im trying to make.


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Oh J9! Just trying to catch up...I“m like two or three threads behind.

Too much warp here...

My hugs for you and the girls

I“m sorry man

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