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#2239571 - 04/20/12 07:09 PM Re: Saving my marriage even she file for a divorce [Re: MrBond]
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Originally Posted By: MrBond
"I wish to go to her place too but my relationship with my father in law have turned sour."

So what? You're there to see your son. You can pick your son up and take him somewhere. It's your child, not his.

"I have asked her to let me bring him back on Friday night and bring him back on sat evening but she don't agree. He mention our boy is too young for me to handle alone."

Are you able to handle him alone? If so, then get the 50/50 time with your son. If she has an issue with it, get a lawyer involved to see what your rights are.

"She do not want to come back and help up at our house too."

That's her right. She doesn't need to help you and likewise you don't need her. Learn everything you can about parenting and children. Become the responsible parent.

Be the man that you want your son to become. Don't live in fear of your W.


But I am working towards reconcile. Does those thing you mention above help?

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#2239580 - 04/20/12 08:10 PM Re: Saving my marriage even she file for a divorce [Re: Use to be]
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Those are only suggestions. But what will help is you stop being afraid of your W and start doing something.

You have to take control back. That's not to say you have to be mean or forceful, but you have to start establishing something to get your life back in order.

You can start by spending more time with your son. It doesn't matter if your W doesn't think you can take care of him. If you know and think you can, then do it. He's your son too. Not just hers.
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#2239612 - 04/21/12 01:57 AM Re: Saving my marriage even she file for a divorce [Re: MrBond]
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So the strategy here is still try to be the best dad possible for Gareth.
How long do I have to do that and what are the sign I have to look out for to a possibility of reconciliation?

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#2239669 - 04/21/12 01:13 PM Re: Saving my marriage even she file for a divorce [Re: Use to be]
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There is no real strategy. Only steps that you take that might get you to reconcile your M. Start by seeing your son more often.

You have to be very patient. It will take time. Did you really read DR? I know you want the quick version, but it doesn't work that way.
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#2239819 - 04/22/12 04:51 AM Re: Saving my marriage even she file for a divorce [Re: MrBond]
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Yes I do read DR but I really don't know how to apply lot of strategy.
Doing LRT seem impossible because I have a boy that I would like to see.

Doing a 180 will never works again my wife stubborn head.

Do nothing? Easier done than said?

I just don't know where to start.

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#2239822 - 04/22/12 06:00 AM Re: Saving my marriage even she file for a divorce [Re: Use to be]
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Originally Posted By: Use to be
So the strategy here is still try to be the best dad possible for Gareth.

if you want to call that a "strategy" for the purpose of this site, okay.

But I would hope being the best dad possible is actually a goal of yours in life.

That means spending time with him and learning to care for him WITHOUT his mother around. Surely you can learn to do that. You have to.

It is a turn on for a woman to see her child loved by his father, playing and interacting lovingly together.

IT's a turn on to see the father ENJOYING the company of their child, not just to "get her back" but b/c you want to be a loving father who enjoys time with his son

and b/c you want your son to know you, and to enjoy being around you...

So please don't let this just be a "tactic" to get her back. Then it isn't real and it won't last and she won't believe in the change.

She will sense it's just a "strategy"...and not a real change you are making b/c you want to become the best man you can become...

this is the time for you to

become a man only a fool would leave.



How long do I have to do that


the rest of your life.

Embrace the chance you have to become a good father and a more involved dad. And a good partner as a co=parent. Some men never get the chance.



and what are the sign I have to look out for to a possibility of reconciliation?



You may not get any. It may not happen. Worst case scenario you will simply become a much better father and partner for the future...
But I'm betting if you change, your wife is going to want to trust those changes b/c she would prefer having an intact family

but she will fear that the changes are just "strategies"...so it will take time. Be patient. Much more patient than you are being now.

So you first set some short terms goals. For instance, get way more time with your son. Bond is right. Stop acting helpless about this. You have rights as his father...assert them. You don't have to "ask HER" for more time, you are probably entitled to half time with him although I don't pretend to Know the law in Singapore.

Getting more time with your son won't make her mad

unless she thinks you are trying to take the boy away from her. Reassure her that you are not doing that.

But just wanting more than ONE day a week w/him, is going to show her that you are man enough to provide LOVE & ATTENTION for your son...you want to BOND with him and now is the time.

Show her that you are the kind of man who cares about being a good father-

not just writing a check once a month, but really helping to raise your son...

As long as she's not threatened, I would bet It's a turn ON for her to see you make an effort with the boy...

the next goal might be to increase HER ability to relax around you.

Start by NOT bringing up the relationship at all...OR the divorce. Try to be upbeat and light hearted. Maybe joke if that seems natural to you or talk about people she knows and cares about. Ask her open ended questions if you cannot think of something to say. (Open ended means not 'yes no' questions but more about how she feels or what she thinks about something).

Do not take the temperature of the relationship. leave that topic alone.

Learn to enjoy your son and let her see that. Then maybe you two can learn to enjoy him together.

You may end up inviting her to share some of YOUR "DAD time" w/her once you are comfortable enough with him alone, so that she won't be tempted to take over when she's there.

Ideally, you and your son may get used to the two of you going to the park and pushing him on a swing or eating breakfast at a child friendly place on the weekend...something just YOU TWO DO...and

then you might send her a picture of him having fun "just b/c you thought she'd like to see it"

So, NO PRESSURE there, just sharing the joy of having a child together.

Let her learn to be comfortable around you so that she does not flee when you are around.

That alone will be a sign of her warming up. It does NOT mean you act on it but at least it's a start for you.

Then we can work from there once you have established some sort of friendship with her. You can build on that.

What were you like when you two fell in love? Can you be more like that guy again?

And although I have not read your other threads, it's good to stay on just one so we have all the information in one place.

For instance, just reading HERE

I don't know what she has SAID bothered her in the marriage, or what she wants YOU to change. But thanks to Bond's comments,

I know she mentioned that she says you nag too much.

Okay so now you are not to give her ANY feedback unless it's positive. grin

Thank for her for every single thing she does or says that is positive. Yes, every single thing.

If she picks boy up on time, you thank her. If she offers you something, or gives you something, you thank her.

If she looks nice or healthy or has a new flattering outfit, you compliment her.

Do you know about a book called "The Five Love Languages"? It's a great book I suggest everyone read but read it AFTER you have read the divorce Remedy book

then read the one on Five Love Languages so you know how to "reach" your wife.

But please read the Divorce Remedy book. There are no "tricks" in it, but there is a lot of specific advice about how to behave in a new way to get your wife to believe marriage can be better with you.

And THIS SITE and the jargon we use here, will make much more sense to you after you have read the book.

Finally, please Understand this...

if she does not believe that marriage to you can be better/different

then she won't want to reconcile.


So YOU must show her that it can be better/different by

showing her that YOU can change.


Do the opposite of what you do that bothers her. (those are the "180s")

That's why I said instead of nagging her (which is a form of criticism)

you are to do the opposite which is to compliment her....it's the opposite of the trait she dislikes.

This way, you will contrast the bad things she believes w/positive things and you will undermine her negative images, and replace those bad images with positive ones.

Make sense?

This is all new to you so it's too early to give up of course.

Consistent change + sufficient time = change she can believe in.
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#2239925 - 04/22/12 08:57 PM Re: Saving my marriage even she file for a divorce [Re: 25yearsmlc]
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Hi 25yearsmlc

Thank you very much for your advise and I do appreciate because you reply do lead me somewhere.

But I have to let you all know this, I love my son and I am doing everything possible for him. I bring him to playground, buy him toys and t-shirt. I teach him read books. All these will never be done if I am using this only as a strategy. And because of my love to him, I am hoping her mother will be back too so we can have a family together.

Here is part of our problem which lead to why she want a divorce. In fact she did mention that she is like a single mum when we are together. I did not hear her complaint that time and I thought she have been doing well looking after our boy. Only to know that one of her reason for divorce is i have not been responsible for the kid.

Now the tricky part is my wife has since move out to in law place and my boy is there and been taken care of by my mother in law. And since she is not open up, i don't think she will see what I do and the hope of reconiliation is so limited.

Hope I can receive more advise from you, thank you

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#2240033 - 04/23/12 10:14 AM Re: Saving my marriage even she file for a divorce [Re: Use to be]
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Hi, I just have a chat with my spouse through whatsapp. Below is our communication details

Me: I miss GR (our son) can I go over to see him later.

Spouse: u call my home first to see if they're around.

Me: .... Think i will go another day in that case

Spouse: u want me to help u call them?

Me: idk

Spouse: what do you want?

Me: I want to see him but i don't know what to do (I have a conflict with father in law)

Spouse: u need me to call home to see if they are home?

Me: never mind, I am not ready too.

Spouse: I am sorry. I know GR needs me and I miss him lot. But I dont know what to do.

............after a while..............

Me: I go town buy book or toys for him.

............few hours later..........

Me: Bought this toy giraffe for our son today ( I send her the picture)

Spouse: she send me a picture of a baby chair bought from ikea.

Me: from ikea? Be careful idea thing sometime not stable.

Spouse: we will always supervise him.

Me: ya be careful.

Me: I am thinking of buying him a playground toy from toys r us ( include picture), what do u think?

Spouse: this can be rent.

Me: I want to buy him as a gift. You think I should not buy?

Spouse: rent will be more practical. It takes up space. U going to bring it back to bedok in future (she is referring to after we divorce, we have to sell our house away. So I will be going back to my parent place to stay which is at bedok)

Me: I will buy our house down. In future GR will still be playing here.

Spouse: u got to also buy out what I have paid for the house for the past few years.

Me: we talk about that later, lawyer will settle it for us.

Me: I have one more thing that need to be discuss. By discuss we mean come to term and not argue. Hope you can respect. Do you want to discuss?

Spouse: go ahead

Me: I talk to my counsellor today. It abt this coming public holiday. When I am at your place yesterday, I was immediately being told GR will be going out that day to meet your relative.

Me: now the counsellor say what GR need is the bonding of his parent and he ask me to discuss with you what is right. He got no answer for that' and asked us to discuss.

So from my understanding, he is saying GR us spending less time with parent, dont you think that is the best time for him to be with either parent instead of meeting others?

Spouse: yup he will be with me the whole day

Me: ok

Me: I will get the playground once I get my pay. I am thinking of making one of the room here into his playground. He can at least enjoy until 6-7 years old

......... She did not continue the chat after this..........

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#2240034 - 04/23/12 10:14 AM Re: Saving my marriage even she file for a divorce [Re: Use to be]
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So guy, from our chat what do you all see. Please enlighten me, thanks

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#2240155 - 04/23/12 03:44 PM Re: Saving my marriage even she file for a divorce [Re: Use to be]
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I see that you're letting your W do whatever she wants and leaving you in the dirt.

Stop asking her what you should or should not do. You are the man in the relationship. If you have a problem with her parents, then speak up to them. Don't let that interfere with your relationship with your W.

Again, you need to take control of things and stop asking others on what you should or shouldn't do. Especially your W. Again he is your son, MAKE IT A POINT TO SEE HIM. If you disagree with what your W says, then speak up.
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