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Originally Posted By: Amy40

My business is concluding nicely, Frank.

Cool, I am glad to hear that.


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I don't know if it's still MLC with STBX. My counselor still thinks it's a combination of a lot of things.

One thing that is clear is that in spite of everything that has happened with my drinking and her MLC / adultery, my daughters still treat me with respect and treat their mom like she is a 17 year old. I listen to D14 talk to her on the phone and cut her off in the middle of the conversation with 'bye mom, ok mom, bye'.

She never talks to me that way.

I feel sad for her, for all of us. As one of my friends in AA said to me the other day, "You are quite the pair".

I have been continuing my 'dark' mode. If she calls I don't answer but let it go to voicemail. If I need to respond I'll text or call her back. Mostly I don't need to respond as she is just informing me of something. Now she texts me more instead of calling or has D14 call me for related things.

The other day I had to go get some insurance papers from her at her condo. I avoid going there as it's uncomfortable. She gave me a neutral 'Hello Frank' and I asked her for the papers, thanks her and left.

Everyone who I know who gives me counsel has said the same thing. Let her go, avoid contact and work on your own life. So that's what I'm doing.

It's interesting that only STBX's mother blames me for everything. "If Frank hadn't started drinking then STBX wouldn't have gone elsewhere for love" or something like that.

Other friends / relatives as what she did to contribute to the problem, and what did she do to help. It's a mixed bag between those who value the sanctity of marriage and those who don't. Regardless it's just excuses that we each can hide behind to justify our choices.

I don't have any excuses. Just shock that after STBX had an affair 3 years ago, and I stopped drinking for a year and put my heart and soul into rescuing our family that in the end she just wasn't a person who could put her heart and soul into us. and I needed that. I needed help.

I'm finally done with all that victimization, just venting it here for the last time. Like Jack said, sometimes someone doesn't want to be saved. They just give up. Well, I've always been someone who thought I didn't need help. That's been my biggest lesson. Accepting help. And letting go.


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Frank,

I want to express that this could be taken 1 of several ways.

And that the way I don't want you taking it is mean spirited.

OK?

What is different this time?



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Originally Posted By: Jack_Three_Beans

What is different this time?


I don't hold any of this against her. I let other men help me through my feelings rather than drink and isolate. Only men can help other men.

I don't 'go dark' to get a result or to be mean. I do it for myself because I'm too reactive to her, that gives her control whether she wants it or not. I want control of my feelings, to won them instead of let them be created by others.

That's different.


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Ah, went for a nice dinner with D14 tonight. She got to wear her Organization XIII Cloak around town tonight with me ($100 well spent!). We had a nice time talking video game lore and other important topics.

Later this evening D18 and I went for one of our drives around the countryside like we used to do. She remarked to me that October is starting out to be a better month than any we've had for quite a while. I agree with her.

Times are changing.


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Frank - you need to get one of them there "CHANGE" bumper stickers crazy

Originally Posted By: Times They are a Changin
Come gather round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
Youll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin
Then you better start swimmin
Or youll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin.

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance wont come again
And dont speak too soon
For the wheels still in spin
And theres no tellin who
That its namin.
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Dont stand in the doorway
Dont block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
Theres a battle outside
And it is ragin.
Itll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And dont criticize
What you cant understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin.
Please get out of the new one
If you cant lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin.

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin.
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin.

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Originally Posted By: KerryK
Frank - you need to get one of them there "CHANGE" bumper stickers crazy
That's not the change I'm looking for crazy


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"Change" is good.

It is right up there with "Balance"


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...stupid f-ing jedi.



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social commentary.

Not calling you are anyone else a jedi Frank.



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Originally Posted By: Jack_Three_Beans
social commentary.

Not calling you are anyone else a jedi Frank.


May the farce be with you.... sick


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