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Posted By: CDL4 Help! My W intends to file for D in 30 days - 01/23/17 03:27 PM
I am a 43 year old husband with a 41 year old wife. We have 2 year old son. We have been married for over 4 years. There has been no infidelity, substance abuse, physical abuse or money problems. Until about 5 1/2 months ago, I thought we were doing okay and any problems we had were fixable. Then on August 4, 2016. My wife asked me for a separation and gave me 2 weeks to move out. My wife said she did not love me anymore, that she was tired of my moodiness and depression, and that she felt like she was taking care of 2 children.

I could not change her mind. My wife had hired a divorce coach and consulted with 3 divorce attorneys. I moved out our house into a small apartment nearby.

My mother died in late May after a prolonged and severe mental illness. I was a wreck. I took most of May off and then I returned to work in June with a vengeance determined to make up for lost time and get a large bonus at the end of 2016.

My wife is a doctor and was deployed for 30 days in July. I took care of my son with the help of our nanny but it was really difficult and I lost my temper on the phone with my wife several times.

Looking back, I should have been more prepared and less emotional but I was trying to work long hours and adjust to being a temporary single dad and, while I didn't get angry with my son, I did yell at my wife on the phone. The last time was a week before she came home and apparently it was the tipping point for her.

After she came home, she waited a few days and then asked me to move out.

I read DB and had some telephone counseling with one of the DC counselors. I also met with multiple therapists. None of it seem to help much. I would feel better and try to follow the advice of DB and others but I could not stick with it and would get upset with my wife over our separation and her refusal to change her mind about separating or getting a divorce.

Since we separated, I found out she is interested in another man, lied to me about consulting with multiple divorce attorneys, lied to me about how much child support I owed her and had lied to me about some other financial issues that will affect our divorce settlement.

I am shocked and devastated. My wife never lied to me about anything important in the past. She is a different person now. She hates me and cannot wait to file for divorce. We had an argument recently and she made it clear she intends to file for divorce in late February.

I realize now that there were obvious signs that she was unhappy. I also realize that I was not anywhere near as helpful as she needed to help raise our son. I have apologized to her and swore that I would be a better father and husband. But I have lost her trust and I cannot seem to get it back. She has refused to see a marriage counselor with me.

I still love my wife and I don't want to lose her. And I hate that I can only see my son 3-4 times a week at scheduled times.

Any advice how to help save my marriage would be greatly appreciated.
Welcome to the board

Sorry you are here but you will meet some wonderful people here and get some great advice.

The first thing you should do is be sure to read the Divorce Remedy (DR) book by MWD
http://www.mcssl.com/store/mwdtc2014/
http://divorcebusting.com/sample_book_chapters.htm

and Michele's articles
http://www.divorcebusting.com/articles.htm

You may be on moderation now, post in small frequent replies and stay on this thread until you reach 100 posts
(for your thread, you can also post on other peoples threads to give support).
Especially on this Newcomers forum, where the posting activity is very active,
and your posts can quickly fall to the bottom of the page or even several pages down.
Keep journaling and asking questions - people will come!
Most important - POST!

Get out and Get a Life (GAL).

DETACH.


Believe none of what he or she says and half of what he/she does.

Have NO EXPECTATIONS.

Take care of yourself, breathe, eat, sleep, exercise.

Take the parts of this advice that you need and don't worry if I have repeated something that you have already done.

Here are a few links to threads that will help you immensely:

I would start with Sandi's Rules
A list of dos and don'ts for the LBS (left behind spouse)
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2553072#Post2553072

Going Dark
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=50956#Post5095

Detachment thread
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2538414#Post2538414

Validation Cheat Sheet: Techniques and tips on how to validate (showing your walk away spouse (WAS) that you recognize and accept his or her opinions as valid, even if you do not agree with them)
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2457566#Post2457566

Boundaries Cheat Sheet
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2536096#Post2536096

Abbreviations
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2553153#Post2553153

For Newcomer LBH with a Wayward Wife by sandi2
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2545554#Post2545554

Resource thread
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubb...224#Post2578224

Stages of the LBS
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1964990&page=1

Validation
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=191764#Post191764

Pursuit and Distance
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2483574#Post2483574

The Lighthouse Story
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2484619#Post2484619

Your H or W is giving you a GIFT.
THE GIFT OF TIME.
USE it wisely.

Knowledge is Power - Sir Francis Bacon
Originally Posted By: CDL4

I read DB and had some telephone counseling with one of the DC counselors. I also met with multiple therapists. None of it seem to help much. I would feel better and try to follow the advice of DB and others but I could not stick with it and would get upset with my wife over our separation and her refusal to change her mind about separating or getting a divorce.

Since we separated, I found out she is interested in another man, lied to me about consulting with multiple divorce attorneys, lied to me about how much child support I owed her and had lied to me about some other financial issues that will affect our divorce settlement.

I am shocked and devastated. My wife never lied to me about anything important in the past. She is a different person now. She hates me and cannot wait to file for divorce. We had an argument recently and she made it clear she intends to file for divorce in late February.


Hello CDL4,

I'm so sorry for the situation you are in.

I'm glad you have read DB. Be sure to read the info that Cadet has provided too. At this point you can't believe any of what your wife says and only half of what she does. Focus on being the best CDL4 and Dad that only a fool would leave. Make these changes for yourself and your son.

You are at a very fragile point in this relationship and it would be extremely helpful to know what your next move should be. Feel free to give me a call at 303-444-7004 to discuss how we can best help you determine what to do next.

Cristy

Resource Coordinator
The Divorce Busting Center
303-444-7004
Posted By: CDL4 Re: Help! My W intends to file for D in 30 days - 01/23/17 04:06 PM
Thank you. I will read the link you posted.

Does anyone else have any advice? I have about 30 days to go before my wife files for divorce. I am panicking.
Just keep POSTING and one other bit of advice from Wonka
that I totally agree with.

Originally Posted By: Wonka
Get DR/DB book. Keep this to yourself. DO NOT share this book or this site at all with your spouse. It is your playbook and not to be shared with the "opposing" team.

It is important to clear the search/browsing history from your computer on a daily basis to prevent the possibility for your WAS to stumble on the DB site and discover your posts here on DB. Erasing the search history will protect your posts and you as well.

We have seen too many Marriages blow up in pieces after the WAS discovers the DB site or DR book. Why is that? It is because the WAS thinks, erroneously I might add, that you are "manipulating" them back into the M.

Keep the DR book and DB site very close to your vest.
CDL4

Sorry you're here. Your first post outlined much that is wrong in your marriage. That is good, in a way. You see your faults, you see your problems. That means there is a possibility of things getting better. Your W is probably what people in this forum call a "walkaway wife" (WAW), someone who put up with frustrations for a long time, then snapped and decided to walk away.

My recommendation: step into your W's shoes, her frame of mind, however irrational and biased you think it might be right now, and make a list, a LOOONG list of all that she thinks is wrong with you and the marriage. It may seem like a silly exercise, but write it down.

Then stare at that list. It doesn't matter who is right for each item listed. Stare at it. Then soak up the idea that THAT's how she feels right now.

You're going to have to decide whether you really want to change, or not.
Posted By: CDL4 Re: Help! My W intends to file for D in 30 days - 01/23/17 04:29 PM
ForGump
Thanks for the reply. Yes. I made a lot of mistakes. And I blame myself for 95% of this situation. I have a list of 20 things I did wrong from her perspective. And she probably could add some more after the last few months. I will review it again. It's hard to read. I feel ashamed.

I do really want to change. I love her and I love my son very much. What should I do next?
I'm sorry you're here CDL4. We all feel your pain.

Gump is right on. Make that list, decide what you can and are willing to change. Time to do those 180's. Figure out short term changes. What can you do in the next couple of weeks?

Then work on long term goals. Make sure these are changes you want to make not only for your WAW but things you will be happy with. Ultimately you want to make yourself better for you, so you want to be happy with the end result.
Your marriage is most likely lost. I'm sorry. Mine is too, so I know how you feel.

The only chance you have of saving it is to take your time to take a long hard look at the person you are, and decide on what kind of a person you want to become. You have to become the guy that your wife would be a FOOL to leave. You can't be just decent, because there's been too much damage already. You have to be far better than decent. She is hurt and confused. If you are lucky -- a big IF -- then as you work on becoming a better man, a GREAT guy, your wife might see you in a different light.

Sound like a long shot? It is. This forum is littered with people like you and me.

Make sure you don't approach this like a checklist. You can't just say sorry for ABCXYZ, and hope she'll come back. At this point, it's not even about particular offenses, probably. It's about how she FEELS about you. So don't look for a shortcut. It's not a sprint, they say in this forum. It's a marathon.

I'd start with working on being a great Dad. Not just pretty good, but awesome Dad. Don't do it to impress your wife. She'll see right through you. Focus on your son. You can't go wrong w/ that.
Originally Posted By: ForGump
Your marriage is most likely lost.

The fact is all marriages are over at bomb drop.
When people start posting here there marriages are already over.

The question is whether you will be able to build a new marriage.

Thats where making changes for YOU come into place.
Making yourself into a person that only a fool would leave.
Posted By: CDL4 Re: Help! My W intends to file for D in 30 days - 01/26/17 02:04 PM
Thank you for all the replies to my post.

I have taken a hard look at myself and I am ready to change.

There are 2 pieces of advice that struck me.
"I'd start with working on being a great Dad. Not just pretty good, but awesome Dad."

"Making yourself into a person that only a fool would leave."

Any advice on how to do either of these changes would be appreciated.
Thank you!
Clarence
Posted By: CDL4 Re: Help! My W intends to file for D in 30 days - 01/30/17 05:11 PM
Originally Posted By: 010207
I'm sorry you're here CDL4. We all feel your pain.

Gump is right on. Make that list, decide what you can and are willing to change. Time to do those 180's. Figure out short term changes. What can you do in the next couple of weeks?

Then work on long term goals. Make sure these are changes you want to make not only for your WAW but things you will be happy with. Ultimately you want to make yourself better for you, so you want to be happy with the end result.


Sorry for the delayed response. I talked to one of the DB counselors and I am practicing detachment and trying to do a 180.
I am on new medication which is helping with my depression.
I have not argued with my W since I originally posted. I have had good visits with my son. What are some suggested short term and long term goals?

I think if I can learn to be a better father, which I want to do, then that might help my marriage too.
Posted By: CDL4 Re: Help! My W intends to file for D in 30 days - 02/16/17 01:22 PM
Does anyone know Michele's latest thoughts on the Last Resort Technique? Or where I can find them

My W told me she is going to file for D in March. I am feeling very scared and desperate. We have been separated almost 6 months but I thought things were getting better the last 4 weeks. I did a 180 on almost everything and we have been getting along. I avoided talking about our relationship and I have concentrated on being a better father to 2.5 year old son.

It seemed like things were getting better to me. I was wrong. She told a friend that she was convinced that I was not going to change and today she made it clear to me, via email, that she intends to file for D after we go to mediation to work out custody issues for our son.

I have done a 180. I am abiding by her rules of communication. I try to avoid asking her about anything that would be personal and just keep our conversations focused on our son or non sensitive matters. It does not seem like anything is working.

Any advice would be very welcome. She is definitely a WAW and I want to save our marriage if possible.
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Originally Posted By: CDL4
Does anyone know Michele's latest thoughts on the Last Resort Technique? Or where I can find them

My W told me she is going to file for D in March. I am feeling very scared and desperate. We have been separated almost 6 months but I thought things were getting better the last 4 weeks. I did a 180 on almost everything and we have been getting along. I avoided talking about our relationship and I have concentrated on being a better father to 2.5 year old son.

It seemed like things were getting better to me. I was wrong. She told a friend that she was convinced that I was not going to change and today she made it clear to me, via email, that she intends to file for D after we go to mediation to work out custody issues for our son.

I have done a 180. I am abiding by her rules of communication. I try to avoid asking her about anything that would be personal and just keep our conversations focused on our son or non sensitive matters. It does not seem like anything is working.

Any advice would be very welcome. She is definitely a WAW and I want to save our marriage if possible.


You say 'nothing is working'.

I say you were married 6 years and youve changed your approach for only 3 weeks. Which source of information do you think your W is going to believe?

Continue focusing on you and being an awesome dad. Make your actions consistent.
Posted By: CDL4 Re: Help! My W intends to file for D in 30 days - 02/16/17 02:14 PM
Thank you! This is helpful. Someone told me that Michele had some new thoughts on the Last Resort Technique. Does anyone have a link to those those?
Thanks again!
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I have done a 180. I am abiding by her rules of communication. I try to avoid asking her about anything that would be personal and just keep our conversations focused on our son or non sensitive matters. It does not seem like anything is working.


Hello CDL4,
Sorry that you find yourself here. Many of us are in your same shoes when it comes to a WAS. I have been practicing "going dark" for quite some time now. Although I do not see any improvements on how my WAW treats me it has helped me to detach and GAL. IMO this is very important process for me. By going out and GAL I have learned not to focus my attention on my W and solely focus it on myself and my children. My WAW has already filed for D and met another man, but I am more confident in myself now then I was 2 months ago because I stay focused on my goals of bettering myself. I still have a long court battle ahead of me, but I know things will work out in the end. You should also detach and not worry about if these methods are working on her or not. These methods are for you and will help prepare yourself for either your WAW wanting to come back and work on the MR or not. Disconnect and don't contact her unless if it is about logistics for the child. Let her contact you first and when she does always be the one to politely end the conversation. GAL! Go out and do the things that you've always wanted to do. Learn a new hobby, reconnect with old friends, exercise, etc, etc, when you are not with your son. Say busy with things that will help you not focus so much on your M and she will either take notice or she won't. This is your time now so use it wisely my friend.
Posted By: CDL4 Re: Help! My W intends to file for D in 30 days - 02/16/17 03:03 PM
Thank you very much for the advice.
Today my wife told me that she stopped wearing her wedding band a few weeks ago because she didn't want anyone to ask questions at her new job. I was caught off guard and crushed. We don't live together and I had not noticed until today.

I have been wearing my wedding band even though we are separated because I thought it was the honest thing to do even though she is determined to divorce me soon.

I didn't get mad. I was just shocked and sad and left her house, our former home, quickly.

Any advice would be welcome.
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Today my wife told me that she stopped wearing her wedding band a few weeks ago because she didn't want anyone to ask questions at her new job. I was caught off guard and crushed. We don't live together and I had not noticed until today.


That's typical. Mine took hers off on the day of BD. I find the statement odd about anyone asking questions at her new job. But it is what it is - when they take it off, they are pretty much done at that point.

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I have been wearing my wedding band even though we are separated because I thought it was the honest thing to do even though she is determined to divorce me soon.


That's fairly normal for us left-behinds. I stopped wearing mine when I realized that she didn't give a damn one way or another.
CDL4 - i feel your pain. I know the advise to GAL and move on is the right thing to do but its hard to do. We gotta do it for our sanity. These WAWs are lost and theres nothing we can do to help them find their way. We can just be there if they happen to find their way back (just dont expexlct it).
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